Moot_Geeza wrote:

I would've thought Bone X owners would be far less likely to sit up and take notice of the Series X any time soon.  Buying a SX at launch if you own an X seems almost head wobble territory to me now, but each to their own of course.  The fact that people were willing to upgrade once before isn't necessarily relevant, if anything it adds justification to their purchase; thanks to this business model they're all set for the next couple of years.  Plus, it depends on the individual whether having upgraded once would make them more or less likely to upgrade again.  For me, I reckon I'd be less likely.   I didn't like the whole mid-gen minor upgrade thing but I did appreciate the way both companies handled the stat bump with the Pro/X (New 3DS is the poster child for oh fuck off due to hosting a Ninja Turtle's handful of exclusives worth mentioning).  Personally speaking, if I had an X I'd be pleasantly surprised (and happy) with the way MS are doing it.  If I had a Pro I expect I'd be disgruntled with Sony's stance, no doubt tempered by the fact that I would've pretty much known what I was getting myself in for when I parted with the cash.

It's interesting to see different people's takes on all this. I'm really curious to know what the split is of those for/against/meh.

I was looking around at the various news articles about MS's move, not a big majority but most are either somewhat negative or share the concerns already mentioned about all this. I would guess that most of the people reporting on this are in the long term 'enthusiast' category, so some bias there as I think they are probably excited for grand new experiences that we haven't seen before, more so that compatibility with an old machine. They will be getting the new box either way so it's of no benefit to them particularly.

I think that what most people who are really enthusiastic followers of the technology and development of games are looking forward to most are the bespoke experiences that take full advantage of the hardware, and push the state of the art in games forward. That's where my interest is anyway. One of the main benefits of a console with a fixed set of components over a PC at this point is the ability for devs to focus and optimise totally on it, forcing compatibility with older machines kind of eats into that advantage a little.

I saw a poll here - http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/01/soapbox_sony_is_not_anti-consumer_for_making_ps5_exclusives  It's a playstation based site so obviously the poll will be biased towards favouring Sony and the opinion of the editorial, but still at 90% in favour of full exclusives and only 4% of 1551 people that would like to see a similar commitment towards compatibility. I wonder what the results would be from a much larger set of people.

Personally, I think we’re past the point of gaming technology advancing in leaps and bounds. Games get cleverer and shinier incrementally nowadays. Radical change is thin on the ground, and usually tied up with some sort of controller or other peripheral (Motion control, camera/voice control, AR, VR).

Given that, I don’t think anyone outside of the enthusiast community has expectations of hot exclusive new titles. Most people want the next sequels to their existing favourites, and they’d like each iteration to be noticeably ‘better’ than the last, whether that’s in terms of scope, speed, or graphic shinies.

I also wonder a bit about the notion of format exclusives. I understand why a console maker wants exclusive titles (to sell their system), but what sort of person actively wants titles to only be available for ‘their’ chosen system? Can you imagine thinking that way about TV shows? “I have a Sony telly, so I don’t want people with LG tellies to be able to watch my favourite show.”

GurtTractor wrote:

I'm not convinced the poll is entirely without worth, I might have expected greater than 4% of people to wish for forwards compatibility.

So would I, but that isn't the question being asked. The question and answers are loaded to get the result it has done.

That's not all he cares about though is it?

That is a point though, there really should be no excuse for anything less than 60FPS this time around, though I'm sure some devs will find a way.

Exactly the kind of propaganda I'd expect a M$ fanboy to concoct. Shameless.

You taking the PiS5?

acemuzzy wrote:

Exactly the kind of propaganda I'd expect a M$ fanboy to concoct. Shameless.

Just keeping it real until Yoss returns from his break.

Games have been utilising multiple cores pretty well for the last couple of years, around 8 threads at least anyway, sometimes more. There's been plenty of testing showing substantial performance improvements for higher core counts over 4/4 or 4/8 CPUs that were typically recommended a few years ago. The next consoles are going to have 8 core 16 thread CPUs which is pretty mental honestly, that's an outstanding amount of horsepower for however long the gen will last.

No you still get good core usage from DX11 games, probably just not from the renderer which just needs a single core to do most of the lifting. Vulkan and DX12 can make use of more core to help output all them frames, but even without those devs can still offload plenty of things onto other cores.

Matthew gets around.

Boozy wrote:

Who dat ?

Forum legend who managed to get hold of a Wii back when we all had Master Systems thanks to his contacts/uncle/dad.

Boozy wrote:

So the Xbox Series S is shrouded in secrecy prompting speculation that it's not a traditional console box for under the TV. Or even a console at all. Theories put forward so far have "Lockhart" as a X-Cloud Server blade (?) or even a handheld. What if it's both ? Or a hybrid docking deal like the switch with a focus on X-Cloud use on the go. Merely speculation but having tried X-Cloud via my phone and a pad it didn't feel right where a dedicated piece of hardware would.

Just some random thoughts.

Also Microsoft are buying From and their E3 announcements for Launch and post launch  have leaked already

https://www.reddit.com/user/Porgamerdev/comments/erfmen/xbox_e3_leak/

Lolz

A switch sized xbox one x, with game streaming, would be amazing.

The tech isn’t there