Rubbish. I always stay in my lane, stay within the speed limit and keep a safe distance from vehicles in front wherever possible (e.g. when people cut in, I drop back).Liveinadive wrote:Youve never done 32 in a 30 accidently, never clipped into another lane on a roundabout, never got slightly closer to someone than the minimum stopping distance?
If the answer is yes you arent driving naturally and are still prob dangerous.
ÂMoto70 wrote:@djchump: Nope, nothing, not a fine, not a point, zilch. I couldn't believe it when I got the letter from the court. He had to attend a half day driver awareness course at his own expense so that was sort of a fine but if you're looking at black and white he was not fined.
Of course - it's the mistakes or inattention that causes the accident, but like you say, it's just that at higher speed, the devastation is much greater if/when there is an accident.ÂMoto70 wrote:I do realise that speed is the main factor in the devastation caused when an accident does happen but people have to realise that more often than not it isn't the cause of the accident. In my accident it played no part at all other than the injuries it inflicted, if it had been in a 60mph limit then there is a high chance that I could have been killed but the fact still lies in that the accident was caused by the driver. If a driver loses control because he was going to fast I'd argue that the speed wasn't the cause of the accident but it instead lies with the driver's own recklessness. It's a grey area I know and people will point to motorway pile-ups as a valid indicator that they are right whereas I would point to the fact that again people are the ones fucking up, they can fuck up in a car park just as easily they can fuck-up at speed.
Of course - it's just that at higher speeds the risks are much greater.Moto70 wrote:... Yes speed was a factor but the fault still lies with the fact hat a driver turned to abruptly and paid the price. ...
Poor road markings will normally get you off tickets or anything like that if you are bolshy enough to take it to court - plenty of people have got off parking tickets because the double-yellows were worn away, roadworks had caused a big enough break in the double-yellows that you can park a car on it or the ends of the doubles weren't terminated correctly, so they didn't count as legally valid.Tempy wrote:Maybe he has adhered to the law to the best of his knowledge? My stepdad failed the test to be a driving instructor because he lost a silly amount of points for parking up at a bus stop at the end of his test. Of course, the paint had eroded from the road and the sign was covered by an overgrown tree, but the instructor knew the area and was required to mark him down. He didn't bother to try again because it involved hours more paperwork, a brand new lesson plan and a lot of other stuff he just couldn't be bothered to do, and he'd received an interview for a job as a store manager anyway. But yeah, i'm sure igor could attempt to follow the law to the 100%, but poor road markings and other people can make it impossible to do so, surely?
Liveinadive wrote:Confused as to why you were over taking when your exit was close enough that one other car could make you miss it.
djchump wrote:Poor road markings will normally get you off tickets or anything like that if you are bolshy enough to take it to court - plenty of people have got off parking tickets because the double-yellows were worn away, roadworks had caused a big enough break in the double-yellows that you can park a car on it or the ends of the doubles weren't terminated correctly, so they didn't count as legally valid.Tempy wrote:Maybe he has adhered to the law to the best of his knowledge? My stepdad failed the test to be a driving instructor because he lost a silly amount of points for parking up at a bus stop at the end of his test. Of course, the paint had eroded from the road and the sign was covered by an overgrown tree, but the instructor knew the area and was required to mark him down. He didn't bother to try again because it involved hours more paperwork, a brand new lesson plan and a lot of other stuff he just couldn't be bothered to do, and he'd received an interview for a job as a store manager anyway. But yeah, i'm sure igor could attempt to follow the law to the 100%, but poor road markings and other people can make it impossible to do so, surely?
Passing your test is different cos they can fail you for any old shit.
I just undercut people like that.igorgetmeabrain wrote:Ffs. Ok, I was in inside lane going at 70 with clear lane ahead of me when, about 2/3 mile from my junction I came across a car sitting in middle lane going about 55-60. ...
Fuck 'em. If they ain't moving lane then it'll be fine.Âigorgetmeabrain wrote:Ffs, you don't undertake. That's how shit happens. Just as it almost did when BMW wanker did precisely that!
igorgetmeabrain wrote:Ffs, you don't undertake. That's how shit happens. Just as it almost did when BMW wanker did precisely that!
Liveinadive wrote:Moving across two lanes and trying to get back again before your junction is far more dangerous than maintaining a steady speed and undertaking.igorgetmeabrain wrote:Ffs, you don't undertake. That's how shit happens. Just as it almost did when BMW wanker did precisely that!
igorgetmeabrain wrote:Hence why undertaking is illegal in all situations.
The Highway Code discourages undertaking on motorways with some exceptions (rule 268): "Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake". Undertaking is permitted in congested conditions when frequent lane changing is not recommended.[4] On other roads, the Code advises drivers "should only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right" (rule 163).[5] Rule 163 uses advisory wording and "will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted", but may be used in evidence to establishing liability in any court proceedings.[6] On all roads, undertaking is permitted if the vehicles in the lane to the right are queueing and slow moving. Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.
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