Aye, when I was a kid my ju jitsu instructor (black belt, 2nd dan I think) got beat up in a club - some randoms giving him evils, he stares em back, wife tells him to leave it, bit later on he gets grabbed from behind lifted and thrown to the floor busting his ankle, big guy sits on him and gets a lick to his face by which time my intructor's mate (assistant instructor at same club, first dan black belt) bundles the guy off.Moot_Geeza wrote:Part of Escape's post reminds me of one of those full page true stories they used to print in FHM, from around fifteen years ago. This guy had pretty much got to the end credits on jujitsu, or a similar disclipline, got in a spot of bother outside a pub, and got annihilated by a regular triple-ripple neck guy who windmilled his way to victory. An ambulance was needed, plus an overnight stay courtesy of the NHS. Dunno if it was true or not, they may have given a prize for the stories they printed. Sounds pretty plausible. They only other one I can remember is someone claiming it was them what done a poo in the Blue Peter garden.
djchump wrote:Think Like a Bouncer!
cockbeard wrote:Dunno if it still happens, but in terms of aggression, milling was real eye opener
djchump wrote:Aye, when I was a kid my ju jitsu instructor (black belt, 2nd dan I think) got beat up in a club - some randoms giving him evils, he stares em back, wife tells him to leave it, bit later on he gets grabbed from behind lifted and thrown to the floor busting his ankle, big guy sits on him and gets a lick to his face by which time my intructor's mate (assistant instructor at same club, first dan black belt) bundles the guy off. Lack of situational awareness, attack from behind etc., but was an eye-opener for little skinny 16 year old me - both instructors burly builders, built like bulldogs, presumed authority figure double tough, and he comes hobbling in on crutches, foot in cast and black eye. Problem with ju jitus as was/is taught by the federation I was in is that it's *all* about learning the moveset syllabus - kicks, blocks, lock and throws etc. - all the way up to black belt, and only when you get to black belt you actually learn how to put it together and how to fight with it, basically useless til then In fact, possibly worse than useless if you count the false sense of security of "woah, I know martial arts!". Did wing chun at uni and found it much, much more practical - learn to hit, 2-man contact drills to learn contact sensitivity and train the muscle memory and reactions, mild sparring pretty much from the start. But at the end of the day, still not fighting, still not really learning to hit moving target properly, still not disciplined learning of how to avoid getting hit, or how to minimise when get hit - only picking it up by osmosis during sparring. For that, boxing is still the purest form - maybe Muay Thai or any other sport-based combat where the emphasis is getting students into the ring and setting them against each other. The more time fighting, the better.Part of Escape's post reminds me of one of those full page true stories they used to print in FHM, from around fifteen years ago. This guy had pretty much got to the end credits on jujitsu, or a similar disclipline, got in a spot of bother outside a pub, and got annihilated by a regular triple-ripple neck guy who windmilled his way to victory. An ambulance was needed, plus an overnight stay courtesy of the NHS. Dunno if it was true or not, they may have given a prize for the stories they printed. Sounds pretty plausible. They only other one I can remember is someone claiming it was them what done a poo in the Blue Peter garden.
Roujin wrote:Sparring in martial arts teaches you almost nothing about how to fight outside of whatever system you are learning. Case in point the arm bar. You can pop a shoulder, or break an elbow, or the other guy can stab you with his free hand or his mate can jump you. It has no use. Most of the throws in judo if you landed cleanly on someone in a real fight would end them, full force of their momentum, your momentum and then the acceleration as you drive the throw through all goes through their upper back as it hits the floor. But guess what, that never happens because irl most people aren't wearing reinforced jackets that will resist the forces being applied, nor do they stand facing you with their arms up while you have 30 seconds of tentative grab attempts when a fight starts.
Moot_Geeza wrote:This hasn't been posted yet. It was inevitable (NSFW).
eh? I haven't said anything of the sort, and even explicitly stated that I thought the jiu jitsu training I did as a kid was probably WORSE than useless, as it did exactly what you say (didn't train me how to defend myself properly) but gave me a false sense of security.Roujin wrote:Not even boxing can help!!!! Do they teach you how to fight rolling around on the floor after a guy just lunges at you and pulls you down? If you manage to get in a fight where the other guy wants to stand and trade blows, you can use your shit, but this almost never happens, most people fighting end up rolling on the floor or wedged up against a wall/side of a car, whatever, and there's no room to use any if your shit there, even if you are muay thai badman it won't be the same as being in the clinch so you aren't even going to get to smash his kidneys in your knees either. Seriously, I'm sorry most of you guys think that you will be handier than a random dude in a scrap because 'training'. Rugby players at least learn how to charge at someone and tackle them head first or from behind with the risk of getting booted in the head so they are probably at an advantage compared to your average McDojo dude.
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