Reading yesterday's Telegraph and todays Observer is bloody depressing.  Though there is a note of distress in some of the right's more jingo-istic columnists.

Ah Monkey, that's where you misunderstand. Labour would swap for any of these cunts in a heartbeat. That's where they want to be.

There's not many things more depressing than driving around a god awful suburban estate in the middle of the night listening to call in radio shows. What a terrible advert.

Escape wrote:

RedDave2 wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/labour-has-now-claimed-the-centre-ground-and-has-shown-it-can-win Pretty certain this is the rallying call all you socialists needed...

Fucking fuck me, they don't give a shit about the poorest in society, that was laser targeted, the fucking lil BMW electric shitter, driving around a familiar looking, bang average town, on a LBC/Radio 4 stylee, "ooh look, we'll spend less than labour, but we won't cut as much as the Tories, we're here for you, voter who just wants some kind of mythical status quo where we only invest a bit in the country's future and only punish the poorest a lil bit with our cuts"

Fucking lib Dems, I notice that after every poll shows a drop in Tory voting intention and an identical gain in LibDem voting they never stop and question why they're so instantly appealing to conservative voters who will seemingly only draw the line at voting for a party when it's as nakedly corrupt and incompetent as the current government. They are basically conservatives who don't want to admit they are hurting others with their voting preference.

Is anyone frothing at the mouth over the militant workers walking out this week from the courts? Bloody commie barristers!

Diluted Dante wrote:

Ah Monkey, that's where you misunderstand. Labour would swap for any of these cunts in a heartbeat. That's where they want to be.

Really need PR because even by my standards this is too much.

drumbeg wrote:

monkey wrote:

At least half a dozen Tory MPs are talking about defecting to Labour, according to Labour insiders. Westminster was full of speculation that a defection could take place at PMQ's two weeks ago. While it did not happen, the recent by-elections are thought to be a new trigger

https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1540983885634408450?s=21&t=ArsaEvEwmkfX4mVszEdwVg Can Labour just not tell these people to go fuck themselves? What the fuck are Hard Brexit Tories going to contribute? The whole bunch of the 2019 intake seem thick as mince. Anyone who agreed with the 2019 Tory manifesto and thought yeah I’ll have some of that hasn’t got any business in the Labour Party.

 

If MPs feel that they are representing their constituents in former "red wall" seats, then there is a basis for a switch. At the GE, Labour don't have to field the same defectors as candidates, although if those defectors stay Labour, then it effectively shuts out the Tories. 

It's a no-brainer for Labour tactically.

Labour will field an incumbent at an election. It's next to impossible to deselect a sitting MP, and anyone who tries will have 'trot' and 'entryist' shrieked at them. If Labour accept these people in, unless they choose not to stand themselves you are locking in a Tory under a Labour banner.

The people who won these red wall seats looked at what Boris Johnson had done over the previous 5 years, and the manifesto he put forward for the next 5 and decided that represented their views. These people don't belong in the Labour party, and won't stand for Labour values.

Only the Lib Dems can win here!

When you need to do the campaign report, even though it's bombed

drumbeg wrote:

If MPs feel that they are representing their constituents in former "red wall" seats, then there is a basis for a switch. At the GE, Labour don't have to field the same defectors as candidates, although if those defectors stay Labour, then it effectively shuts out the Tories.

It's a no-brainer for Labour tactically.

In this PM-focused land a lot of voters don't know who their MP is. These defectors probably have minimal support on their own, hustling here for a new gravy train.

Be funny if Labour welcomed them into failure.

Can't believe Sir Kier Starmer is forcing the post office workers to go on strike.

I'm glad we didn't elect Corbyn and go back to the 70s with militant unions destroying the country.

If Starmer carries out his threat of disciplining those who defied him to support the RMT, that's most of their remaining lefties by my count.

Sharon Graham wrote:

David Lammy has chosen to launch a direct attack on British Airways workers. This is a group of workers who were savagely attacked by their employer during Covid. ‘Fire and rehire’ led to thousands of unnecessary job cuts and pay being slashed.

This dispute is not about a pay rise – it’s about restoring money taken out of workers’ pockets by an opportunistic employer. British Airways and its parent company IAG hold billions in reserves and assets and are predicting a return to profit this quarter.

Supporting bad bosses is a new low for Labour and once again shows that politicians have failed. It is now down to the trade unions to defend working people. We are their only voice.

Breakaway parties are largely unviable as extra cogs, but I think we're reaching a point where that could change if True Labour directly opposed New Labour, claiming the best parts of Labour's history as theirs. Reverse SDP.

The fear of infighting letting the Tories win is why — in either colour — they will. What's sold to us as infighting is standing up for the trashed vehicle that's Labour. None of us'd vote for Starmer if he couldn't hold its former goodness to ransom.

Are you resigned to helping push the Overton to the right because you think it's inevitable?

My view's obviously that we can only WarGames that level of entropy. Different jumping off points between us.

This could be in reply or also Labour's new campaign song: