Brooks wrote:

I wonder how on earth anyone could gather enough solid evidence to even prove cancel culture is a structural ill worth getting upset about, beyond celebrities dealing with all the hot goss they've basically always had to take in one format or another. Most of the vociferous complainers seems to be antisocial shitwits in the first place.

The problem appears to be who is paying heed. Quite often those who should know better and perhaps grow a pair.

In general I can understand why big-platform social media users might be newly agitated about trying to use social media under an algorithmically enhanced shadow of suspicion and venom but there's a really fucking easy fix for that.

I say pwn 'em all.

Moot_Geeza wrote:

There's usually a massive difference between being cancelled and Watkins though. Extreme example is extreme, of course, but I like to think no-one's listened to a Lost Prophets album since.

Jeezus that rings a bell, fucking horrendous if I recall correctly. I think he was stopped before anything happened?
I pity the rest of the band tbh.

Yossarian wrote:

If we’re cancelling Lennon for anything, it should probably be for this:

https://www.metrolyrics.com/run-for-your-life-lyrics-beatles.html

That's kind of a descendant of the old blues though. There's a lot of the old 20s and 30s stuff about shooting and battering women. Much of the dodgy 60s and 70s lyrics are just paying hommage to the old blues singers.

Yeah, I think people can redeem themselves. The people who rage about being cancelled aren't on track to do it though.

Wookienopants wrote:

Yea there's a difference between a person being investigated and tried through correct judicial process or journalistic investigation and a person being judged by social media. Social media is very much a toxic environment of knee jerk opinions and people shouting without caring about evidence.

What if you try the justice system and conventional media and no one listens? The idea that people rush to social media is questionable. I think it's often more of a last resort for those who don't have a voice elsewhere. Of course, it's open to abuse and I get the point that it creates extreme polarising reactions too quickly. But it's a necessary avenue for some.

Yes. “It’s complicated” is the short version, and probably best left to personal morality. I’m not gonna judge anyone for playing Michael Jackson but I don’t anymore, and he’s actually dead so it barely makes sense

Spacey films are fine for me, but I wouldn’t watch something which he’s in now should he get work post revelations.

Polanski is a no

Many Weinstein films are a yes

I use The Beatles to get C to sleep at night. If I'm going by the proper terms I'm giving money to fandans.

Yet I actively rail against Polanski, Morrissey , Jackson, CK et Al.


I'm a scumbag hypocrite.

Funkstain wrote:

I’m not gonna judge anyone for playing Michael Jackson but I don’t anymore

I think that's the crux of it

I mean the whole judging shit is what "cancel culture" is, and that is toxic as fook. On the flip though, there's absolutely no doubt that metoo empowered many victims/survivors of abuse to come forward and realise that they weren't alone. Though that's very different to a simple pile-on which is unfortunately what we see rather more often

regmcfly wrote:

I'm a scumbag hypocrite.

Naah, not at all. It's called changing your mind. I don't think anyone should have to stand behind every single action or word, though once upon a time I did

That’s the problem with the internet and the world at large at the mo. Once people are in a camp they double down and can’t seem to just shrug anymore and say they have changed their mind. It’s sad.

@cockbeard

Comedians being cancelled for saying dumb shit in a bit - simmer down, relax a sec there

Comedians being cancelled for doing dumb shit - crack on

Plus, tv and films are more of a team sport. Linehan didn’t make Father Ted on his own. Directors have more authorship over a film though, so it’s understandable that they get more directly linked with the product.

I do think the aftist/art thing is very personal so I would agree with those saying it isnt something to judge others over.

It was no skin off my nose to stop listening to Gary Glitter I was happy to not hear that shit ever again.
MJ was much tougher. I had a few tears when he died, it really hit hard. Over time I matured about things then watching Leaving Neverland my mind was changed, I totally believed those guys and had to make the choice not to willfully listen to MJ again (its impossible to fully avoid him).

For other people it could be the artist that sang the song for their first dance, a movie as a first date, a comedy routine that picked them up off the floor. That stuff is hard to just switch off.

Inform dont preach I think is the best approach.