This is amazing/terrifying in equal measure, absolute exponential improvement in quality of AI video generation: https://openai.com/sora

The examples are stunning, even when they are highlighting the scenes that trip the AI up.

Posted that in the robots thread. It's frighteningly impressive. Still the same old copyright issues though so we'll see what comes of it.

Yar, the truth is fucked. Imagine next year, or five years.

And how will they verify stuff?

It’s not released yet. Still in testing. May not be out this year but yep scary stuff.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

And how will they verify stuff?

Well that's the point isn't it.
An image or video couldn't be a verified source in its own, it would need to be backed up by something. A reliable witness, an expert in the field, a reputation for telling the truth in the long term.

Flooding the media with AI content will make the media ultimately pointless paying attention to.

It definitely is on the optimistic side.

One possible outcome is it goes back to the old days where you get your news from a handful of established sources. e.g. the BBC would have a no AI rule so anything on that website is genuine (if not exactly trustworthy). Something like Twitter couldn't exist in the same form. But you can't properly predict what's going to happen to the internet. Or the future in general. eg Sora kills a lot of jobs. So movie studios are rubbing their hands together. But if anyone can make a 90 minute movie from a text prompt, what is a movie studio anymore? How far can the tech go?

Infinite guff

Perhaps when a computer can do anything we will value more of what a human can do.

We already do this a bit. A real stunt over a CG version. Even if it could look identical knowing Tom Cruise is hanging onto the side of that plane adds something. Similarly a machine can make a perfect cake but it's not the same as a loved one baking it for you.

There's also human imperfection that we value as soul, or funk. It's illogical and potentially undesirable if faked. Like a posh kid pretending to be ghetto, fuck that guy.

We are hardwired to value and respect sacrifice and discomfort. In ourselves and in others too.

Not really a solution to a jobs market of course but I do think there is something there.

The AI optimists think we'll be left to do creative stuff just because we want to, and AI will do everything else. The pessimist stuff is obviously really grim. I guess we'll find out soon.

In the industry I’m in this is a real threat which is why we need to look at and embrace it. We need to learn it well so that we can be ahead of the competition who are or will be using it. The moral implications are huge but as a company we need to stay competitive. I’d say the good thing is that it can’t do everything. But that is currently caveated with a yet, the pace of improvement is only accelerating due to the nature of how these models learn. They can only get better, more quickly.

There are a lot of problems tied up in this with the speed of advancement meaning that governments, typically slow with any technology, but even more so here, will not be able to legislate effectively as the rules they will write will be out of date by the time they implement them.

Economically, this technology significantly challenges the capitalist model, forcing a pseudo-socialist support mechanism, or, as Liv puts it there’ll be heads on spikes. Again, most governments won’t be ready for this.

I’m just thankful I’ll likely not be alive to see AGI take shape. Fuck knows how my daughter and her kids will cope with that.

b0r1s wrote:

There are a lot of problems tied up in this with the speed of advancement meaning that governments, typically slow with any technology, but even more so here, will not be able to legislate effectively as the rules they will write will be out of date by the time they implement them.

Which is why there might be a blanket AI ban. Or heavily legislated and slowed down through administration. But that's impossible with national politics as currently structured. By the time they wake up to it, the genie's out the bottle. And it can't be fully outlawed anyway. And the Chinese and US governments aren't going to stop.  But there will be an almighty bedshitting moment where politicians run round trying to stop it.

b0r1s wrote:

Economically, this technology significantly challenges the capitalist model, forcing a pseudo-socialist support mechanism, or, as Liv puts it there’ll be heads on spikes.

It pits the AI platform holders versus all the other rich people whose businesses are disintegrating. While the internet took a few decades to change things, this is happening quicker than existing businesses are going to be able to cope with.

LivDiv wrote:

Perhaps when a computer can do anything we will value more of what a human can do. We already do this a bit. A real stunt over a CG version. Even if it could look identical knowing Tom Cruise is hanging onto the side of that plane adds something. Similarly a machine can make a perfect cake but it's not the same as a loved one baking it for you. There's also human imperfection that we value as soul, or funk. It's illogical and potentially undesirable if faked. Like a posh kid pretending to be ghetto, fuck that guy. We are hardwired to value and respect sacrifice and discomfort. In ourselves and in others too. Not really a solution to a jobs market of course but I do think there is something there.

Yeah so you do need that human connection in creative arts. My example of everyone creating their own movies probably isn't going to cut it. But maybe it's good enough for "I want a new George Clooney Batman film in the style of the Joel Schumacher films with the 1960s Joker as the villain". Maybe that's a perfectly viable evening's entertainment (apart from all the inputs I gave it obviously). 

Or it might be as a replacement for the novel. So one person goes off for a month, creates a movie, tweaks it all the way they want, they've written it, they've done a lot of the creative stuff and maybe that's enough. That's the new movie industry. Chris Nolan sat at a desk for a month.
 
Or maybe it's so good that the line between games and movies blurs and AI creates a new medium and can respond on the fly to your inputs. The idea of a single static unchanged movie becomes quaint. Who knows?

They'll be outvoted. This will cause genuine panic at some point. I'm not saying they can stop it. But they'll try.