superflyninja wrote:

mannaboy wrote:

So SNW. How in fuck was this written by the same people? This felt more like Trek than any of the new stuff. It wasn't perfect but it was so far beyond Discovery and Picard. Realistically I think it may be a downward slide from here like Picard S2 but there is plenty of scope for optimism.
Cap'n Pike's charisma is carrying a lot at the moment too.

I did have a quibble....

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So the species that developed the warp bomb. They did this in what a year and a half or something? They went from seeing the space battle thing to warp bomb in that time? That was unnecessary. The writers just wanted to tie it back to Discovery, science be damned.
Also they are painting the Gorn as right pricks. They have a nursery planet where they keep humans to bang and then eat alive? That is daaark.

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Yeah, it was a stretch to have them reverse engineer from observational data. I can forgive the gorn thing, though. Not all humans are dicks but some of us are massive cunts, would be the same for other species.

Oh, yeah, sorry seen some complaints on the interwebs and saw a link that you actually weren't making. Yep, that can't have been a jolly experience for La'an.

Looking forward to ep2, really hoping it doesn't follow the pattern of good opener and quick crash and burn.

Loved the way Uhura helped solve a problem. Chapel does the quirky thing without being annoying (Tilly) or murderous (Jurati). Doctor is intriguing. Didn't catch his name, but I'm sure I will.

I enjoyed the conversations in this episode. Actual, thoughtful conversations that have meaning and motivate characters.

Again, not sure if Discovery and Picard have just tanked my standards.

handsofblue wrote:

Doctor is intriguing. Didn't catch his name, but I'm sure I will.

Mister Doctor?

Lord Dirk Tar, Son of Kerplunk

Where are you lot watching it?

superflyninja wrote:

Well well well. Episode 2 of Strange New Worlds was a banger. It was like a proper Trek episode. I'm impressed.

Best modern Trek. Hands down. Let's cut the series short before there's a chance to screw it up.

The tone is nice and consistent, layered story lines that thematically relate to other plots and characters. The conversations are believable and very well performed. None of that rapid fire SCIENCEFUCKYEAH planning in Discovery. You get Pike getting opinions from his senior crew and then putting it into a plan. You see reasoning and motivation that speak to the characters and how their backgrounds and personality affect their contributions. With Discovery, the crew are so shallow that I have very little to go on. They're reduced to characteristics (particularly shit cos that means I have the gay ones, the NB one, the trans one, the Asian one and Jesus Burnham). Picard relies too much on what came before and then shat all over it.

Oh, FANTASTIC shots of space shootout in the last ep. No reliance on shake and blur to transmit pressure, clear and well directed shots.

Good ep, solid 7.5/10, very much liking the crew, story, episodic but still with overarching themes. Roll on ep3.

handsofblue wrote:

Well well well. Episode 2 of Strange New Worlds was a banger. It was like a proper Trek episode. I'm impressed.

Best modern Trek. Hands down. Let's cut the series short before there's a chance to screw it up. The tone is nice and consistent, layered story lines that thematically relate to other plots and characters. The conversations are believable and very well performed. None of that rapid fire SCIENCEFUCKYEAH planning in Discovery. You get Pike getting opinions from his senior crew and then putting it into a plan. You see reasoning and motivation that speak to the characters and how their backgrounds and personality affect their contributions. With Discovery, the crew are so shallow that I have very little to go on. They're reduced to characteristics (particularly shit cos that means I have the gay ones, the NB one, the trans one, the Asian one and Jesus Burnham). Picard relies too much on what came before and then shat all over it. Oh, FANTASTIC shots of space shootout in the last ep. No reliance on shake and blur to transmit pressure, clear and well directed shots. Good ep, solid 7.5/10, very much liking the crew, story, episodic but still with overarching themes. Roll on ep3.

I agree with all of this. It made me especially sad because it highlighted what missed opportunities Picard and Discovery were.

EDIT: LOL at RLM. They don't even attempt to highlight the nonsense plot anymore, so bad has it gotten.

My only grip/query on episode 2 (aside from the sublimation) was :

handsofblue wrote:

The best thing about Picard is watching RLM afterwards. Watching as soon as I get home.

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Yeah, I was gonna mention that the eps so far have been so solid that it's easy to forgive the wobbles. The first ep had them too. I just like to think either Pike's command is supereffective or the aliens had advanced weaponry but poor defence.

In the grand scheme of things it was such a minor wrinkle it was barely worth mentioning.

monkey wrote:

That’s Picard finished. The second half of that was so painful. It stopped being hilarious bad and became boring bad. But it was so, so bad. You could take any 5 minute segment and spend an hour breaking down why it was so terrible. Things that should matter don’t. People know things they couldn’t possibly or don’t realise things they should. Or don’t care about things that are terrible. Like at one point they lose their only way home and no one gives a fuck. It’s not even mentioned. None of them even remark on it. Despite them spending the past four or five episodes going to special lengths to protect it. Agh. I can’t get into it. It’s endless, bottomless stupidity. Every scene. It might be the stupidest thing I’ve ever watched.

It is truly an incredible achievement. Part of me wonders if it was a "The Producers" scenario behind the scenes.

monkey wrote:

I think you’re onto something there. One of the producers was talking about doing a Seven and Raffi spin-off show.

lol fuck me, there's an idea. No offence to the actor that plays Raffi of course, but is there anyone out there that actually likes Raffi? Car crash of a character with zero redeeming features.

I'm enjoying DS9. It's only the beginning of S1, but it feels less of a dramatic change than the transition from the original to TNG. Being able to use and expand on the universe that TNG created certainly helps to make it feel familiar.

I’ve only watched the first episode so I’m sure it’s got time to go down hill. Saving SNW until it’s done.

Just finished watching episode 4 myself. Yup 4 for 4 bangers. The setup in episode 4 sounds like it may be an interesting development that might play out over the rest of the series. This is proper Star Trek for sure. The crew are excellent and they act like Starfleet officers. Great stuff

I think episode one is on Youtube. High seas for the rest. Or Paramount + when it launches