For me, I didn't care that he killed Snoke. At the time of first watching I too was shocked and wondered where the story was going after that. Turns out it didnt really go anywhere. Again the arms dealers...its not a great (or original) direction IMO. A huge galaxy wide nazi like empire vs some arms dealers drumming up conflicts to sell xwings. I know which I think would make for a more exciting movie.RedDave2 wrote:As for Johnson, I cant speak for the guy but it was clear he wanted to, as Kylo puts it, tear down the established star wars restrictions. No dark side/ light side. No Empire vs Rebels. At a guess, the arms dealers were being set up as the new big bad who were pitting small regions against each other and perpetuating galaxy wide war. I wouldnt have been surprised if Kylo and Rei had joined in a third movie against them, thus bringing a balance to the force. Another option I though he could take was an unhinged Kylo wrecking havoc across the galaxy with whats left of the first order. Not taking control, just burning the universe to the ground and Rei has to stop him. I might be putting words in mouths but one of the biggest gripes some people had was the decision to kill Snoke because he was built up as the big bad but thats the thing - who says you need a big bad guy like palpatine? Thats been done. Snoke getting killed so throwaway was great to me because instead of thinking that the movies were just going to build to Kylo trying to get Rei to go Darkside while Snoke plays puppeteer a-la the emperor, when Snoke dies I didn't know the direction the story would go. Thats a plus for me.It wasn’t a misstep if you were then willing to allow someone to subvert the expectations it created and follow through on that. Your argument is that they needed to revitalise the franchise with fresh characters, which is true, but they also needed to revitalise it with fresh stories, which TFA failed to do and which TLJ tried to do.
superflyninja wrote:Im not having a go at those that do like TLJ, but I just don't think Johnson's idea of what Star Wars is tallys with me.
Yossarian wrote:Yep.
Some of the criticisms of Kenobi should have been levelled at the original trilogy, but YouTube video essays didn’t exist back then.
EvilRedEye wrote:superflyninja wrote:Im not having a go at those that do like TLJ, but I just don't think Johnson's idea of what Star Wars is tallys with me.
The deleted scenes of TLJ are a red flag in terms of Johnson getting the franchise IMO. Like I don't even dislike the film but it's truly bizarre that some of that stuff got as far as being filmed.
Minnesänger wrote:Yossarian wrote:Yep.
Some of the criticisms of Kenobi should have been levelled at the original trilogy, but YouTube video essays didn’t exist back then.
Oh what were the deleted scenes?EvilRedEye wrote:The deleted scenes of TLJ are a red flag in terms of Johnson getting the franchise IMO. Like I don't even dislike the film but it's truly bizarre that some of that stuff got as far as being filmed.superflyninja wrote:Im not having a go at those that do like TLJ, but I just don't think Johnson's idea of what Star Wars is tallys with me.
Thats a fair counter argument, he certainly had fun even if noone else did.Funkstain wrote:You know that was my favourite thing about fat bob. It was an absolute pay day for someone who looked like he was having a blast. Fair play to TM
g.man wrote:Aye, the wee girl was fine. Good cast all round really. Massively let down by piss-tier writing.
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