PCPartpicker is indeed an excellent website, and there is a Aussie version, you select the country at the top right -

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.88 @ Amazon Australia)
Motherboard: MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($188.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($108.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 570 8 GB PULSE ITX Video Card  ($215.00 @ Umart)
Case: Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case  ($58.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GM 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($133.10 @ Newegg Australia)
Total: $1039.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-26 09:45 AEDT+1100

That is a rough idea, I don't know how painful that price is for you. You can cut down the SSD a little, though that 1TB is a decent deal I think. I've not included the usual Windows retail version, either an OEM key or Linux might be a good idea for a budget. I hear Linux has excellent Steam support for most games now, with OS's like Manjaro... Let me know if you want me to dig up some deets on that.

There is a lot of choices for the case, so you'll have to research that, look at images of the case in situ for an idea if it suits. Silverstone do a lot of decent small cases, there's one with a handle that I've liked the look of for a while. There's been some very fancy and very compact (but difficult to build in) cases released recently I think, can't remember the names off the top of my head though. You will need check that specific cases will accommodate specific hardware like graphics cards and PSUs, worth looking at build videos of them too.

If you want a particularly silent machine let me know and I can look into things like PSU noise in more detail.


Another cool option that won't be as fast as that laptop but is incredibly tiny is the Asrock Deskmini A300 -



Can fit to the back of a screen with a VESA mount, small enough to palm. Uses a Ryzen APU, pretty neat. Only really good for low end stuff though.


Oof just remembered another option, the Hades Canyon NUC, an unholy union between an Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Was actually a really cool product and presumably still works pretty well. Certainly nothing as tiny with that power. https://computers.mwave.com.au/electronics/Hades-Canyon Absolutely no idea if those prices are any good.


Err hope that helps.

Anyone got a corsair 1?

Facewon wrote:

That does help indeed. It tells me that self build is cheaper, which I knew, but also gave me an idea of by how much. It also shows I can't really get within console prices ballpark, which I figured, but good to know. Looking at the little asrock then, I start to think about pure streaming hub, so I can use vpn easily. My noob understanding would be videocard would wanna still be good, ram far less important, although not nothing, because multi chrome tabs can = chug. And other stuff could be far less hardcore. No need for 4k for me, new TV is a loooooong way off. Basically, instead of matching my laptop, I'd just have a telly watch option, plus current laptop, and continue to save cash for replacement laptop in a year or so. (with a much better idea of what I want. And with a focus on being able to upgrade.)

Not sure if I made it clear above, but keep in mind that the little Asrock box won't accept a GPU, and just uses the onboard graphics of a Ryzen APU, which can be perfectly good for a lot of things but it's worth looking into for your use cases. I think it should work just fine for a streaming hub though as well as light gaming, but do check it out.

I do enjoy building my own, but if I see a Corsair One with a decent discount I'll be all over it. I have dreams about them.

Is a monitor instead of a new TV a daft idea for the next gen consoles? Seems you can get more bang for your buck. Not interested in watching TV or films on it, it's purely for games.

GurtTractor wrote:

PCPartpicker is indeed an excellent website, and there is a Aussie version, you select the country at the top right -

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.88 @ Amazon Australia)
Motherboard: MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($188.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($108.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 570 8 GB PULSE ITX Video Card  ($215.00 @ Umart)
Case: Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case  ($58.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GM 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  ($133.10 @ Newegg Australia)
Total: $1039.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-26 09:45 AEDT+1100

That is a rough idea, I don't know how painful that price is for you. You can cut down the SSD a little, though that 1TB is a decent deal I think. I've not included the usual Windows retail version, either an OEM key or Linux might be a good idea for a budget. I hear Linux has excellent Steam support for most games now, with OS's like Manjaro... Let me know if you want me to dig up some deets on that.

There is a lot of choices for the case, so you'll have to research that, look at images of the case in situ for an idea if it suits. Silverstone do a lot of decent small cases, there's one with a handle that I've liked the look of for a while. There's been some very fancy and very compact (but difficult to build in) cases released recently I think, can't remember the names off the top of my head though. You will need check that specific cases will accommodate specific hardware like graphics cards and PSUs, worth looking at build videos of them too.

If you want a particularly silent machine let me know and I can look into things like PSU noise in more detail.


Another cool option that won't be as fast as that laptop but is incredibly tiny is the Asrock Deskmini A300 -



Can fit to the back of a screen with a VESA mount, small enough to palm. Uses a Ryzen APU, pretty neat. Only really good for low end stuff though.


Oof just remembered another option, the Hades Canyon NUC, an unholy union between an Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Was actually a really cool product and presumably still works pretty well. Certainly nothing as tiny with that power. https://computers.mwave.com.au/electronics/Hades-Canyon Absolutely no idea if those prices are any good.


Err hope that helps.

Can someone in the know let me know how future proof that is?

@regmcfly given I asked gurt to match my laptop, I'd say the answer is moderately.

Given you could upgrade bits, obviously a bit more future proof than my laptop.

But for reference:

-destiny 2, runs like a boss with settings on mid/high. 60fps. Since adding an external fan even heavy crazy bits run pretty smooth.

- metro exodus. A real mixed bag. Nowhere near high settings. The lighting and stuff sends things a bit Cray Cray. I've ended up going low in some spots to get framerate solid.

- ashen. Smaller dev so flakey again. Ended up around low/mid. Given where it ended up and where it started some of this was down to dev doing updates, so it started funky on pc generally.

- dirt rally, dark souls 3, the surge all mint. Ds3 is particularly impressive. Rock solid high fps and detail.

- hellblade, mid/high settings. Some flakey moments, but mostly solid.

After that, I'm all 2d and slay the spire etc. Or older stuff like talos principle (high settings and smooth as).

I know that doesn't talk numbers, just broad idea around games that are on console too.

In terms of the future-proofness of the PCPartpicker list of that ITX build, as long as the case is not too restrictive then it will be very future proof, will be a doddle to add new CPUs and GPUs down the line.

bad_hair_day wrote:

Lord_Griff wrote:

Wait index isn't wireless?

Probably be around £300 for the adapter.

It'll be cost price when it does come out, probably the end of next year after the new wireless standard is introduced (March). There's not enough bandwidth to do wireless Index with current tech.

The RX 5500 and 5500 XT are reckoned to launch mid December, with the 5500 XT being my pick if the price is right, due to having 8GB of VRAM. Should be a decent mid budget option, competing with Nvidia's 1650 line.

I am looking for a new keyboard, the Ducky looks good. My Refurbed K70 broke, and when I sent it back for repair it came back worse than before - womp womp.

That Ducky One2 TKL in the RPS list uses Cherry Blue switches, which are clicky and loud, many don't prefer these for gaming with linear switches being the most common choice. This is a light linear version though not on sale annoyingly.

Leopold is another brand that do superbly solid and high quality boards, one of the best options before you get into just building your own (which is a lot of fun).

Would you not need a new motherboard if you're switching from Intel to amd?

Ye I would, quad cores have had it IMO, performance will drop below 60 in many games.

You may as well get the Tomahawk Max as it's a tenner cheaper right now and will work out of the box with the newer 3000 series CPUs, no difference apart from that though I think. £90 is a good price.

You could save £70 and get the 2600 if you are only running a 60Hz monitor, but if you think you might want to get into high refresh rates in the near future then the 3600 will be better.

I saw that, there are other shops that seem to have it in stock right now though.