Thanks Gurt, think we got to the 1080 or 2080 as well, without doing too extensive research. We won't be building the pc this side of the ocean, so it's a bit of a weird build

Ooh ta Gurt! I'll give that list and the part picker website a look. Definitely content to put off the build until 3070s are relatively available though given the performance boost for the price, even better if that means I get to pick up the next gen Ryzen from having to wait anyway.

Something like that maybe. Not sure if it will be any good for gaming, but I'm not sure if that what you want it for (plus one or two monitors can still use your existing card).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-D3100-Docking-Station-452-BBOT/dp/B00O0M46KO

Good man, I meant to find the thread for you and got sidetracked.

Louiecat wrote:

so......Im doing it....FTW I have this project I'm working on that involves streaming, video making and maybe some gaming (cyberpunk at 1440p and looking nice.....?) requires something a bit more adept than my current i7 and GTX970, so call me MAD but the time is right to actually try to build a pooter! This will involve beer, and also my son who is knowledgeable and home during these mad and rubbish times.....so.......this is the spec so far and I'm scared but it also feels as I buy parts like this is my Aston Martin in the form of a PC! i9 10900k GPU - not sure, but probably a 2070 or 2080 super if I cant get a 3070 before november (yep....no, so will wait till next year for that and then stick the 2070/80 in my older Thunderbird) Mummyboard - Asus ROG STRIX Z490-E 16GB DDr4 PSU - Corsair RM750 case - something like a fractal R6 with a glass bit cos I'm all about the bling. Any thoughts from the crowd well appreciated. Things feel shit here. This is therapy and a dad son project of sorts.

I don't know how much of a rush you are in to get it built, but you may want to hold off until the end of this month, at least for the CPU. Details on the next generation of Ryzen will be released in a week, and the first of the actual processors could be out by the end of the month/November. For your purposes a Ryzen CPU will be ideal, more cores and better multicore performance than Intel for the price, and much better power consumption relatively, which also means lower cooling requirements. The PCIE setup is better with the AMD X570 chipset too. Rumours and other details indicate that the next AMD gen (Ryzen 5000) will be a beast, 3000 was already excellent for editing and general productivity as well as being very close to Intel for gaming.

You should get much more RAM IMO if you want to do video stuff, at least 32 GB, and I would aim for 3600 MHz speed.

GPU situation is tricky right now what very low availability of the new stuff, I guess the best bet would be to put in a back order for a reasonable price.

I would recommend a case with decent airflow, particularly if you are going for high end parts that will be kicking out a lot of heat. I'll have a look at some of the best options a bit later.

GurtTractor wrote:

so......Im doing it....FTW I have this project I'm working on that involves streaming, video making and maybe some gaming (cyberpunk at 1440p and looking nice.....?) requires something a bit more adept than my current i7 and GTX970, so call me MAD but the time is right to actually try to build a pooter! This will involve beer, and also my son who is knowledgeable and home during these mad and rubbish times.....so.......this is the spec so far and I'm scared but it also feels as I buy parts like this is my Aston Martin in the form of a PC! i9 10900k GPU - not sure, but probably a 2070 or 2080 super if I cant get a 3070 before november (yep....no, so will wait till next year for that and then stick the 2070/80 in my older Thunderbird) Mummyboard - Asus ROG STRIX Z490-E 16GB DDr4 PSU - Corsair RM750 case - something like a fractal R6 with a glass bit cos I'm all about the bling. Any thoughts from the crowd well appreciated. Things feel shit here. This is therapy and a dad son project of sorts.

I don't know how much of a rush you are in to get it built, but you may want to hold off until the end of this month, at least for the CPU. Details on the next generation of Ryzen will be released in a week, and the first of the actual processors could be out by the end of the month/November. For your purposes a Ryzen CPU will be ideal, more cores and better multicore performance than Intel for the price, and much better power consumption relatively, which also means lower cooling requirements. The PCIE setup is better with the AMD X570 chipset too. Rumours and other details indicate that the next AMD gen (Ryzen 5000) will be a beast, 3000 was already excellent for editing and general productivity as well as being very close to Intel for gaming.

You should get much more RAM IMO if you want to do video stuff, at least 32 GB, and I would aim for 3600 MHz speed.

GPU situation is tricky right now what very low availability of the new stuff, I guess the best bet would be to put in a back order for a reasonable price.

I would recommend a case with decent airflow, particularly if you are going for high end parts that will be kicking out a lot of heat. I'll have a look at some of the best options a bit later.

Gurt thanks for the really constructive feedback!
Ha - having thought I would stick with intel I have cancelled my i910900k order for now(one is actually a return!) based on your thoughts about the AMD options and price and discussions with my “PC Doctor” son on the need/not need for an overclocking option (yeah I wont be tinkering and the straight i910900 is 140 quid cheaper) and am doing some more research and really want to make this a pleasurable exercise in using money rather than burning it! 

the busiest I will be will be when I’m streaming, recording the stream AND gaming, although the stream will be a podcast style at times with live readings of fiction and graphic backdrops on green screen. Games I would love to share play with audience will be cyberpunk, action RPGs, stuff that has great environment design and is good for just wandering around in and exploring the wider stories. 

I'm really interested in your thoughts re cases - you're rhe second in a couple of days to mention having a spacious set up and knowing me I would like room to add.....fire.away. I liked the fractal line for the minimalist look and I am an aesthetic type of chap but open to suggestions. If my budget can squeeze in a bigger case then brill.

Roger on the RAM. I had thought 32 rather than 16 but was trying to save money - im working on da vinci resolve with 16gn right now and its not bad at all......could always add later?

On the gpu. Yep. Need a build in the next month for momentum so probs go for 20 series but won't buy till after 15th just incase.......

And thank you. I feel less rushed now and will do some more thinking and research.

Another one to fly up the @GurtTractor flare.. 

I've got a nephew who's all fired up top get his first PC for minecraft, light streaming with friends.. other PC gaming fun. He's a pretty canny chap and would have a budget more in the £800 range and might look to buy by year end. 
He's been looking at the trusty pcpartpicker site so we're veering deep here.. 

I know the 5000s are coming out by then so they'll be a hopeful choice, the  new AMD GPUs might be on depending on the price or some cheaper 2000 Nvidea ones?, 16gig ram? maybe to get him running, PSU? 500? 600?,  he's got a 1080 Hisense TV that would work as a monitor at a pinch.., already uses a M&K for the PS4, needs a Windows license, and case for potential expansion or filling with leds... 

I'm aware that that's not too much to work on given the time of year and announcements imminent but I'll probably be back in a while to pester you for more info as and when.

Louiecat wrote:

GurtTractor wrote:

so......Im doing it....FTW I have this project I'm working on that involves streaming, video making and maybe some gaming (cyberpunk at 1440p and looking nice.....?) requires something a bit more adept than my current i7 and GTX970, so call me MAD but the time is right to actually try to build a pooter! This will involve beer, and also my son who is knowledgeable and home during these mad and rubbish times.....so.......this is the spec so far and I'm scared but it also feels as I buy parts like this is my Aston Martin in the form of a PC! i9 10900k GPU - not sure, but probably a 2070 or 2080 super if I cant get a 3070 before november (yep....no, so will wait till next year for that and then stick the 2070/80 in my older Thunderbird) Mummyboard - Asus ROG STRIX Z490-E 16GB DDr4 PSU - Corsair RM750 case - something like a fractal R6 with a glass bit cos I'm all about the bling. Any thoughts from the crowd well appreciated. Things feel shit here. This is therapy and a dad son project of sorts.

I don't know how much of a rush you are in to get it built, but you may want to hold off until the end of this month, at least for the CPU. Details on the next generation of Ryzen will be released in a week, and the first of the actual processors could be out by the end of the month/November. For your purposes a Ryzen CPU will be ideal, more cores and better multicore performance than Intel for the price, and much better power consumption relatively, which also means lower cooling requirements. The PCIE setup is better with the AMD X570 chipset too. Rumours and other details indicate that the next AMD gen (Ryzen 5000) will be a beast, 3000 was already excellent for editing and general productivity as well as being very close to Intel for gaming. You should get much more RAM IMO if you want to do video stuff, at least 32 GB, and I would aim for 3600 MHz speed. GPU situation is tricky right now what very low availability of the new stuff, I guess the best bet would be to put in a back order for a reasonable price. I would recommend a case with decent airflow, particularly if you are going for high end parts that will be kicking out a lot of heat. I'll have a look at some of the best options a bit later.

Gurt thanks for the really constructive feedback! Ha - having thought I would stick with intel I have cancelled my i910900k order for now(one is actually a return!) based on your thoughts about the AMD options and price and discussions with my “PC Doctor” son on the need/not need for an overclocking option (yeah I wont be tinkering and the straight i910900 is 140 quid cheaper) and am doing some more research and really want to make this a pleasurable exercise in using money rather than burning it!  the busiest I will be will be when I’m streaming, recording the stream AND gaming, although the stream will be a podcast style at times with live readings of fiction and graphic backdrops on green screen. Games I would love to share play with audience will be cyberpunk, action RPGs, stuff that has great environment design and is good for just wandering around in and exploring the wider stories.  I'm really interested in your thoughts re cases - you're rhe second in a couple of days to mention having a spacious set up and knowing me I would like room to add.....fire.away. I liked the fractal line for the minimalist look and I am an aesthetic type of chap but open to suggestions. If my budget can squeeze in a bigger case then brill. Roger on the RAM. I had thought 32 rather than 16 but was trying to save money - im working on da vinci resolve with 16gn right now and its not bad at all......could always add later? On the gpu. Yep. Need a build in the next month for momentum so probs go for 20 series but won't buy till after 15th just incase....... And thank you. I feel less rushed now and will do some more thinking and research.

Yeah so for your usage high end Intel will be fine, you can just get more cores and overall power with AMD for the money which is why I mentioned it. A 10900/K will handle everything you need to though, just be careful to get sufficient cooling for that as it does run hot.

In terms of cases I'm not super clued up on the best models to look for currently, but I would recommend Gamers Nexus as a source of quality reviews with an airflow focus, which is important if you going to be putting some high end gear in there. https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3604-best-gaming-pc-cases-for-airflow-in-2020-right-now  Also see their youtube channel for the latest case reviews. Choose something that you can grow into, and will be easy to clean the dust filters on and get into to add more storage. I also recommend at least 4 front USB ports for convenience.

For your usage I would 100% go for at least 32GB, if you get two sticks then you can always add another couple. It used to be that 8GB was the general standard minimum recommendation, and 16 was more of the future proof 'enough for most things'. But now I would say that about now 16GB is the new minimum recommended, and 32 is where you should be looking for future proofness. I'm saying this sort of mainly due to how much RAM Flight Simulator 2020 manages to use, other games will follow suit and the new consoles will usher in more ambitious games. Also for video editing it's generally recommended to have more memory than the average user would need, I think that many youtubers need 64GB for their 4K workflow.

isanbard wrote:

Another one to fly up the @GurtTractor flare..  I've got a nephew who's all fired up top get his first PC for minecraft, light streaming with friends.. other PC gaming fun. He's a pretty canny chap and would have a budget more in the £800 range and might look to buy by year end.  He's been looking at the trusty pcpartpicker site so we're veering deep here..  I know the 5000s are coming out by then so they'll be a hopeful choice, the  new AMD GPUs might be on depending on the price or some cheaper 2000 Nvidea ones?, 16gig ram? maybe to get him running, PSU? 500? 600?,  he's got a 1080 Hisense TV that would work as a monitor at a pinch.., already uses a M&K for the PS4, needs a Windows license, and case for potential expansion or filling with leds...  I'm aware that that's not too much to work on given the time of year and announcements imminent but I'll probably be back in a while to pester you for more info as and when.

£800 is a good budget for a build to start with, gives you a good platform for future upgrades -

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£179.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£99.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£59.95 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£72.99 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card  (£200.00 @ Currys PC World)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (£83.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£104.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £800.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-06 16:59 BST+0100

The GPU and perhaps the CPU can be considered placeholder, it certainly won't hurt waiting a little bit for the new hardware to come out in the next month or two. That system should handle mostly any game just fine, for streaming it might be wise to try and aim for a little more CPU power with an 8 core, but the 6 core Ryzens tend to be fantastic price/performance.

GurtTractor wrote:

so......Im doing it....FTW I have this project I'm working on that involves streaming, video making and maybe some gaming (cyberpunk at 1440p and looking nice.....?) requires something a bit more adept than my current i7 and GTX970, so call me MAD but the time is right to actually try to build a pooter! This will involve beer, and also my son who is knowledgeable and home during these mad and rubbish times.....so.......this is the spec so far and I'm scared but it also feels as I buy parts like this is my Aston Martin in the form of a PC! i9 10900k GPU - not sure, but probably a 2070 or 2080 super if I cant get a 3070 before november (yep....no, so will wait till next year for that and then stick the 2070/80 in my older Thunderbird) Mummyboard - Asus ROG STRIX Z490-E 16GB DDr4 PSU - Corsair RM750 case - something like a fractal R6 with a glass bit cos I'm all about the bling. Any thoughts from the crowd well appreciated. Things feel shit here. This is therapy and a dad son project of sorts.

I don't know how much of a rush you are in to get it built, but you may want to hold off until the end of this month, at least for the CPU. Details on the next generation of Ryzen will be released in a week, and the first of the actual processors could be out by the end of the month/November. For your purposes a Ryzen CPU will be ideal, more cores and better multicore performance than Intel for the price, and much better power consumption relatively, which also means lower cooling requirements. The PCIE setup is better with the AMD X570 chipset too. Rumours and other details indicate that the next AMD gen (Ryzen 5000) will be a beast, 3000 was already excellent for editing and general productivity as well as being very close to Intel for gaming. You should get much more RAM IMO if you want to do video stuff, at least 32 GB, and I would aim for 3600 MHz speed. GPU situation is tricky right now what very low availability of the new stuff, I guess the best bet would be to put in a back order for a reasonable price. I would recommend a case with decent airflow, particularly if you are going for high end parts that will be kicking out a lot of heat. I'll have a look at some of the best options a bit later.

Gurt thanks for the really constructive feedback! Ha - having thought I would stick with intel I have cancelled my i910900k order for now(one is actually a return!) based on your thoughts about the AMD options and price and discussions with my “PC Doctor” son on the need/not need for an overclocking option (yeah I wont be tinkering and the straight i910900 is 140 quid cheaper) and am doing some more research and really want to make this a pleasurable exercise in using money rather than burning it!  the busiest I will be will be when I’m streaming, recording the stream AND gaming, although the stream will be a podcast style at times with live readings of fiction and graphic backdrops on green screen. Games I would love to share play with audience will be cyberpunk, action RPGs, stuff that has great environment design and is good for just wandering around in and exploring the wider stories.  I'm really interested in your thoughts re cases - you're rhe second in a couple of days to mention having a spacious set up and knowing me I would like room to add.....fire.away. I liked the fractal line for the minimalist look and I am an aesthetic type of chap but open to suggestions. If my budget can squeeze in a bigger case then brill. Roger on the RAM. I had thought 32 rather than 16 but was trying to save money - im working on da vinci resolve with 16gn right now and its not bad at all......could always add later? On the gpu. Yep. Need a build in the next month for momentum so probs go for 20 series but won't buy till after 15th just incase....... And thank you. I feel less rushed now and will do some more thinking and research.

Yeah so for your usage high end Intel will be fine, you can just get more cores and overall power with AMD for the money which is why I mentioned it. A 10900/K will handle everything you need to though, just be careful to get sufficient cooling for that as it does run hot. In terms of cases I'm not super clued up on the best models to look for currently, but I would recommend Gamers Nexus as a source of quality reviews with an airflow focus, which is important if you going to be putting some high end gear in there. https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3604-best-gaming-pc-cases-for-airflow-in-2020-right-now  Also see their youtube channel for the latest case reviews. Choose something that you can grow into, and will be easy to clean the dust filters on and get into to add more storage. I also recommend at least 4 front USB ports for convenience. For your usage I would 100% go for at least 32GB, if you get two sticks then you can always add another couple. It used to be that 8GB was the general standard minimum recommendation, and 16 was more of the future proof 'enough for most things'. But now I would say that about now 16GB is the new minimum recommended, and 32 is where you should be looking for future proofness. I'm saying this sort of mainly due to how much RAM Flight Simulator 2020 manages to use, other games will follow suit and the new consoles will usher in more ambitious games. Also for video editing it's generally recommended to have more memory than the average user would need, I think that many youtubers need 64GB for their 4K workflow.

superb - thanks man. Tbh I am getting the feeling that the higher end one can go the less are the differences between intel and AMD in terms of experience - I’m very tempted to go build immediately but a couple of weeks ain’t long to see what is going to come out and if I can get a 3070 then great. 
the AMD new stuff is interesting but as you say the intel i9 is going to be a great workhorse for whatever I want to do....probably would go for the non-K version though as it would save me 150 squid as I have no plans or need to overclock......that said the base speeds are faster on the K...

thanks for the case advice. will look and see!

Thanks Gurt - this gives me a good starting point, time to open lots of browser tabs...

Take that with a fair old pinch of salt as it's AMD's benchmark results, but it seems reasonable to me to expect basically no perceptible difference in gaming between Intel and AMD now. AMD will be ahead in some things, Intel for others. For productivity stuff like video/3D/compiling I think AMD will absolutely smash it, as the 3000 series was already excellent in those tasks.

There will be compatibility with X470/B450 boards but you will want to pay attention to the details in that video as there's specific BIOS versions to look out for.

Prices are higher for these though, so I might hold off a bit for price drops which typically happen with Ryzen CPUs.

I’m thinking 5900x. Still around £420 which is amazing. Instead of the i910900k at another100 squid.

Howdy experts (Gurt),
Any idea on when would be the opportune moment to buy a good budget gpu? 
I keep hearing that the 1660 super is great. I want to pounce when the price is low as possible!

cheers!!