Jaco wrote:

It's only discrimination if you don't offer something to someone who has an equal right to receive it. If you're outside a company, you have no equal right to receive internal job offers from them, therefore it cannot be discrimination. It's like saying I'm discriminating against everyone in my street because I only offer my wife a cup of tea. EDIT: Of course, if a job was posted internally but only open to applications from a certain department, that could be discrimination. Like if I had two mates round to visit and I only offered one of them a cuppa. Being a part of something (i.e. a workplace) gives you a reasonable expectation of fair and equitable treatment. You can't expect fair and equitable treatment from something you're not a part of or have no stake in.

Exactly

You're missing the point. The departments are PART of that company. Therefore invested in it, and with a right to move about internally. If you work for, say, LIDL as a Store Manager and ASDA decide to promote one of their Asst. Managers to full Store Manager, you have not been discriminated against because you have no stake in ASDA, you are not invested in it in any way and therefore have no right to know anything of their internal movements. Basically, you never had a dog in that particular fight.

Yes.

GooberTheHat wrote:

What if they only accept applicants with a degree? Discrimination.

To be honest almost everything I apply for says they want a degree, I have none, still get work. So yes discrimination as time served and proven industry knowledge expertise is equivalent

Jaco wrote:

You're missing the point. The departments are PART of that company. Therefore invested in it, and with a right to move about internally. If you work for, say, LIDL as a Store Manager and ASDA decide to promote one of their Asst. Managers to full Store Manager, you have not been discriminated against because you have no stake in ASDA, you are not invested in it in any way and therefore have no right to know anything of their internal movements. Basically, you never had a dog in that particular fight.

So let me reverse my point, if you work in Ops you have no dog in the 'IT Vacancy' fight (I like the turn of phrase as well it's one I've found myself using a lot this year) therefore why should ASDA advertise it outside that department

cockbeard wrote:

You're missing the point. The departments are PART of that company. Therefore invested in it, and with a right to move about internally. If you work for, say, LIDL as a Store Manager and ASDA decide to promote one of their Asst. Managers to full Store Manager, you have not been discriminated against because you have no stake in ASDA, you are not invested in it in any way and therefore have no right to know anything of their internal movements. Basically, you never had a dog in that particular fight.

So let me reverse my point, if you work in Ops you have no dog in the 'IT Vacancy' fight (I like the turn of phrase as well it's one I've found myself using a lot this year) therefore why should ASDA advertise it outside that department

Because people in an organisation have the right to move sideways / up / down / whatever if they want. And it's in any company's interests (and the individual's) to progree people internally, up-skilling and utilising resource as much as possible.

Trust me on this – I've been the lead designer for an employee engagement consultancy for the last 4 years. This stuff gets rammed into us in briefings.

Not really. Sometimes it’s a cultural/practical thing. Let’s say an organisation needs a new team leader. What makes more sense, to hire an outsider and spend months getting them up to speed with process etc., and risk alienating the team; or promote someone who is already a cultural fit and knows the internal processes from within the team? It’s kind of a no-brainer. Unless you’re looking to clean house or change direction of course.

Had a fun time today in my Placement Learning class.

There are students worried they'll have to joint teach next week, and some students are worried that the one week of observation they were able to do (cos of school holidays) hasn't prepared them enough for joint teaching, or solo teaching by the end of the week. Others are struggling to plan lessons based on the Module resources they have been given for the texts the schools have decided to teach their students.

In comparison, I have had 2 days of observation this week, have had to pick a text to teach, and plan what I want to do for the entire 6 week 30 period semester with a high perofrming S3 class which I am going to start teaching on Monday afternoon (lets not talk about the S1 class I am teaching on Tuesday afternoon... or the joint teaching classes)

Our first PGDE lesson on Medium Term planning/Module Planning is tomorrow.

Entry level jobs in my work require a degree but promotion from there only requires a leaving cert (A levels? Exam at the end of secondary school).
And when I say requires a degree,I mean in the sense of having completed one, whatever the subject!

Take it literally and retreat from leadership. When someone asks why you didn't attend, explain the misunderstanding.

I've done a few of those things over the last couple of years reg.  Usually worth it despite all the faff, even though they tend to take 4 hours to give you 30mins worth of content.

You got them to plagiarise something so you'd look all boss, right? I know I would.

...

This could be why I'm not a teacher.

So you're saying I'd make an amazing teacher.

*internet high-five*

Had a shit day at work. I said a few pages back i was thinking of going for my managers job as hes job up the chain into his bosses job.
Well for my application form i need some words from my manager on my suitably for promotion.

What came back from him was tantamount to a character assassination on my character and professionalism. I was fuming. it read like i was barely capable if doing my own job nevermind his. I showed it to a colleague who couldn't believe what he read.

Luckily it was towards the end of the day and i didnt see him before i left the office, otherwise i might of been fired for saying what was on my mind.

Anyhow, no one internal will apply for it, they'll have to go to market. I'm tempted to continue tge application and just do the interview. its a 3 person panel and he's on it, so zero chance of getting the job, but what the hell.

I'm still weighing up whether to raise a HR complaint as hes purposely trying to torpedo ny application. Luckily for me a few other internal teams have said they'd take me onboard in a heartbeat if im interested.

Jeez Dino. Sorry to hear that. What a muppet that guy is! If you love the job, I’d transfer to another department if you can. A HR complaint can get nasty quickly, unless you really want to go for his job.