Star Trek - The Bear and Badger

b0r1s

Caught up, finished. Mmmm, so what started as a great series one has slowed right down. Agree on the Borg thing, but seems too obvious, but then again they love to rinse and repeat. Liked the Pike thing, Spock is understated, but like that they haven't tried to directly copy the original. Bit of a shit ending though. Not as excited by the prospect of series 3.

Dinostar77

Err...season 2 hasn't finished yet. Two more episodes to go. Theres a massive spoiler which has been leaked, so click at your own peril.

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Time_on_my_hands

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Well, not sure if they'll have Pike get irradiated on the Discovery and use the training vessel story as a cover up. At least he gets a bit of a happy ending - aside from Saru, he's the character I'm caring about the most.

Trek series always take at least 1 - 2 seasons to hit their stride, I just think that Discovery is going at such a pace narrative-wise, it's barrelling through content before the characters have a chance the get properly ironed out. Riker and Sisko would still be clean shaven but Discovery has been and done with a war.

b0r1s

@Dinostar77 - Ahh right, I'd assumed it had finished as I hadn't seen it in weeks. Not gonna click the spoiler though.

HawBawJaws

Here's how i think it'll pan out, just idle speculation on my part:

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superflyninja

I'm still confused about something. Ill spoiler it for safety though.

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monkey

On the 1st spoiler

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poprock

Aye, what Monkey said.

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Which means …

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Dinostar77

HawBawJaws wrote:

Here's how i think it'll pan out, just idle speculation on my part:

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enterprise turns up, big shooty match ensues. They realise they can't defeat control, or destroy the sphere data. Decide to try and shoot it either far away, or into the future. The section 31 ships join together into a cube like shape. They formulate a plan where they hand the data over as a bluff to stall for time. Just before they push the button, Burnham beams spock and pike back to enterprise. Push the button, and find themselves and the section 31/borg ship in the delta quadrant, hundreds of years in the future. Starfleet suppress all knowledge of the spore drive and time crystals.

I honestly dont think it has anything to do with the BORG. BORG only go after civilisations that have achieved a certain level of technology. CONTROL wiped out everything.

On a sidenote, one of the mini episodes between Season 1 and Season 2 was set 1000 years in the future and Discovery had developed an AI, but the crew hadnt been seen for almost 1000 years and Discovery was waiting for them to return. The 1000 years is awfully close to the 950 years currently mentioned for CONTROL wiping out all life.

HawBawJaws

Hhhmmmm, not watched them, I'll have a swatch later.

superflyninja

Hmmmmmmm I see....I think lol.

poprock

Tonight’s episode was simultaneously awful and brilliant. The best and worst of Trek all at once. I grinned all the way through.

EvilRedEye

I've loved this season, tbh.

poprock

It’s a huge improvement on season one.

b0r1s

Best bit? Cheeky wink :-D

Birdorf

I’ve mostly enjoyed this season, but Burnham’s weepy, chin wobbling gets on my tits.

poprock

Her and Ash are awful. The rest of the cast are making up for it, I think.

Paul the sparky

I don't know why they forced the actress who plays Burnham to act through those crippling bouts of diarrhea. You can tell the moment the cramps hit as she starts up with her eyebrow fidgeting, heroically trying to save her underwear and finish the scene. Props to her I suppose.

mannaboy

Burnham’s arc complete by end of season 2 and the character has a heroic exit from the show?

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monkey

Burnham is a good character with a good actor but yeah it seems to be weepy maudlin scenes or literal superhero saviour of the universe stuff. The cheesiness of the show is too much to bear sometimes. Clem Fandango is always rotten and the doctor seems to be missing a personality. Apart from that it’s really good at the moment. I don’t think they’ve done such dramatic story telling in Trek since Best of Both Worlds or the later DS9 episodes.

b0r1s

monkey wrote:

I don’t think they’ve done such dramatic story telling in Trek since Best of Both Worlds or the later DS9 episodes.

Ha ha ha. Definitely the most woeful of all Trek, imo. Best of Both Worlds probably the best.

monkey

That finale didn’t make a lick of sense. The biggest point for me was

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monkey

More wtfs

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Anyway, it’s done.

EvilRedEye

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Dinostar77

That was a mess wasn't it. Anyway at least they have a clear slate for season 3

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The producers of the show had this to say about section 31:

If you’re a fan of Deep Space Nine, you’ve probably spent the past two years saying, “What the hell are they doing with Section 31? That’s nothing like the Section 31 we know.” That’s exactly right. In Deep Space Nine, they did not have badges or ships. They’re an underground organization. What you see on Discovery and our upcoming show with Michelle Yeoh is how Section 31 became that organization and why it was so underground by the time Deep Space Nine comes around.

Dinostar77

b0r1s wrote:

monkey wrote:

I don’t think they’ve done such dramatic story telling in Trek since Best of Both Worlds or the later DS9 episodes.

Ha ha ha. Definitely the most woeful of all Trek, imo. Best of Both Worlds probably the best.

Loved DS9, in the pale moonlight is easily in the top ten or for me top three episodes of star trek ever.

monkey

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Control still existed outside of Leland it's just that he was apparently controlling the automated Section 31 fleet so it stopped when he died. I think they mention that they destroyed the rest of it in the interviews at the end.

The Time Crystal thing also seemed weird/unexplained to me although it could have been that keeping a great big wormhole to the far future open for Discovery wasn't as taxing as a few suit-only jumps to the recent past.

Ah ok. But

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You do have to roll with it a bit with Discovery, but this one had a bit too much of, well, everything. But I like they tried to do something fairly spectacular with it even if it ended up a complete mess as a result.

I enjoyed the season though. Even at its worst it was very watchable. Pike and Spock could have been complete disasters but were great.

monkey

One last thing then I’ll shut up.

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Dinostar77

Monkey there were loads of plot holes. For instance

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HawBawJaws

Hhhmmmm.

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I could go on and on, but I'm tired and I've got the wee man clambering all over me. I'm glad i stuck it out, but slightly disappointed by the ending of this series.

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