Olimite wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

I'd love someone to come out with a stripped down arena shooter, but I can't see it happening. Too much money at stake, the cost to build one of these things is enormous.

They are pretty much consigned to XBLA now (Quake Arena, Nexuiz, Gotham, Breach, Section 8 ) and I could probably count the amount of players still playing on my Son's abacus. Because of the reduced price point, the net code is almost a passing thought.

Section 8 was pretty much dead by the time I played it, which was only a week or 2 after release. I never managed a game that would allow me the achievements. I take it the XBLA version did about the same then?

Olimite wrote:

They are pretty much consigned to XBLA now (Quake Arena, Nexuiz, Gotham, Breach, Section 8 ) and I could probably count the amount of players still playing on my Son's abacus. Because of the reduced price point, the net code is almost a passing thought.

I have to say, I'm still a huge fan of Gotham City Imposters. Never takes itself seriously, interesting gadgets to play with, the balancing is a lot better these days but they never really sorted out the slow matchmaking. I've played that online more than any CoD or BF3.

RamSteelwood wrote:

not just for FPS, but i'd like to see a game put the reward system in reverse...instead of the players that play more getting better at the game and getting more stuff so they become better still....the better you are the less help you get...

Or, and here's a completely crazy idea, devs could have a decent skill based matchmaking system in place so the uber l33t lvl 50 General never plays the s3per n00b lvl 5 Recruit.

I've got loads to say about this topic but Sirlin's website which Face quoted above is brilliant. If a dev could apply good balancing principles (like they try to do in fighting and RTS games) to a big console shooter we'd be onto a winner.

I'm going to give Black Ops 2 a fair go before making comment.

Diluted Dante wrote:

I'd love someone to come out with a stripped down arena shooter, but I can't see it happening

Unreal Tournament 3 was fantastic.

I still think there is a place for a game that just has a squad where you fill a predetermined spot, no need for countless guns or unlimited perk set-ups.

Good gameplay will always win against whatever it is up against. If this game is coupled with good graphics then even better but if I'm being honest with myself I really should come to terms with the game I want to play will never see the light of day.

It could be that I was brought up on the sort of games I describe, Delta Force, Black Hawk Down, Americas Army, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and even SWAT 4 to some extent but the latest iterations of Ghost Recon shows that the roots of this series, this genre even, are being erased and replaced by these twitch shooters where your character is carrying so much stuff in the terms of firepower and assistance, I am sure that the majority of players that are currently playing have never even played the games I mention if you do not include the modern remakes.

Tribes on nextbox

regmcfly wrote:

Tribes on nextbox

It's fun because its fast and precise, too fast and precise for a pad. As a game it would never work with the current market because of its specialised momentum based combat. No camping headshots to be had.

Olimite wrote:

n0face wrote:

@Olimite, could some company not just produce 'netcode' and out source it like a graphics engine?

I have no idea, but I'm assuming not otherwise it probably would have been done by now.

GGPO for fighting games says hi.

The difference is though, is that in order to lock an area down in Halo to secure a power weapon requires multiple members of your team to gather at a location which the enemy team already know, which is where player communication and skill becomes important. 

I think that's fundamentally different to the camping and better weapons for more time invested that occurs with the COD-a-likes.

No Mod. Halo's old weapon system encouraged map movement. If you want I can find you games on The Pit where no one would move for 30+ seconds until rockets or overshield came up.

This is future of FPS not argue about Halo thred plz

Of course it's different, you know where the weapon will spawn in Halo, it only spawns in one place. Also in Halo if you fail to protect to the power weapon spawn and lose the position, the other side are rewarded for their effort by aquiring said weapon. 

In COD that doesnt happen, you simply end the streak of the other team and get nothing to show for it.

To me, Halo is the bouncing soldier game with pink lasers. That's all I remember of online.

Yeah, whatever. I've seen enough posts about the importance of holding a power weapon (three on this page) to know it's important enough to change the way players approach a map and the penalty for not doing it is huge.

If you think that's balance you're living in la la land.

Because team A was unlucky/unskilled/uncoordinated enough to lose the initial encounter they're disadvantaged in subsequent ones. A disadvantage which is then rolled up into the next power weapon spot. It's a mobile killstreak. Bleat about how little I know but I know it's the tactic that the game encourages and players (again on this page) defend it by saying it's the way to win.