Knight wrote:

Start with rockets in Halo? Yeah that's not going to work. Face you're in, I can't be bothered anymore.

Why? Because they're massively OP and whoever holds them has a huge advantage?

If you want to include a weapon in your game it needs to be balanced. Slow load/fire/switching/movement/ammo count. All weapons needs elements of risk and reward, as you're suddenly so keen to bang on about.

Mod74 wrote:

Knight wrote:

Start with rockets in Halo? Yeah that's not going to work. Face you're in, I can't be bothered anymore.

Why? Because they're massively OP and whoever holds them has a huge advantage?

If you want to include a weapon in your game it needs to be balanced. Slow load/fire/switching/movement/ammo count. All weapons needs elements of risk and reward, as you're suddenly so keen to bang on about.

On PC it was common to have mods/game variants where you spawned with rockets/had rockets only. Fun for a few minutes but very quickly tiresome, lacked any real skill, people getting blown up constantly, rockets flying all over the place etc etc etc. It really doesn't work as (I think) you imagine.

Weapon spawns on the Halo's i've played are a deathtrap to camp in. Even the sword in the pit was a grenade trap. There were gaps at the top of the walls that you could easily frag through to clear the room. Camping there for long periods of time was stupid and you'd get fucked by an opposition who weren't shit.

Olimite wrote:

Take the Halo chat into the Halo thread unless it's relevant to the topic. This thread was actually quite interesting to start with.

My fault, I should be able to remember the 'mention Halo in a vaguely negative way and a siren goes off around the globe' rule by now.

Olimite

Roujin wrote:

@Olimite, could some company not just produce 'netcode' and out source it like a graphics engine?

I have no idea, but I'm assuming not otherwise it probably would have been done by now.

GGPO for fighting games says hi.

I have no idea what you just said. Care to elaborate?

GGPO (Good Game Peace Out) is a type of 'netcode' middleware. It was produced initially to allow PC gamers using mame roms to play together online.

Since then it has gone on to be recognised in the community as being better than many of the developers own in house efforts for fighting games this gen.

Several fighting game developers now use the GGPO middleware to handle the online gaming aspect of their games.

Interesting stuff there Roujin, but I take it it's easier to develop that for a straight 1 v 1 fighter than it is for a 16 or 32 player FPS. I'd love net code to be something I don't even have to think about when playing an FPS.

Mod74 wrote:

wonderbanana wrote:

Mod74 wrote:

[ I don't believe for a second players/teams don't camp a spot whilst waiting for a weapon to spawn.

Not true mate. I've never been a Halo Pro but I can assure you that in any FPS DM game at a high level no one would camp a weapon spawn. They'll cycle back round to it based on its spawn time. Edit: Exception being old school KOTH style maps but they are very specific tbf.

Right, I don't mean stand in one spot hiding behind a crate. I do mean cycle in and around the area waiting for a spawn. If you've got the skill to keep track of when exactly something will spawn in great, but don't forget Halo isn't exclusively played by Pro players. You can't say something works great when it's just the Pro's playing.

I think your complaints are fair mod but only at lower levels of the game where people aren't that skilled or familiar with all the obvious and easily manageable tactics - the camping for power weapons etc. It wouldn't make sense to make changes because some shit people do shit things in a game though. These sorts of tactics do NOT win games and even serve as a disadvantage if the opposing team are any good so surely it just adds to the balance and sense of strategy.

Tempy wrote:

@Mod, power weapons do have disadvantages, example: rocket launcher has only two shots per clip and takes an age to reload. Your suggestion of being able to choose a weapon at spawn is nice, but how do you promote movement in a team deathmatch without objectives? Surely it just becomes a meat grinder when one team gets the high ground/best area to defend?

What do you mean, becomes?

Roujin wrote:

Olimite

Roujin wrote:

@Olimite, could some company not just produce 'netcode' and out source it like a graphics engine?

I have no idea, but I'm assuming not otherwise it probably would have been done by now.

GGPO for fighting games says hi.

I have no idea what you just said. Care to elaborate?

GGPO (Good Game Peace Out) is a type of 'netcode' middleware. It was produced initially to allow PC gamers using mame roms to play together online. Since then it has gone on to be recognised in the community as being better than many of the developers own in house efforts for fighting games this gen. Several fighting game developers now use the GGPO middleware to handle the online gaming aspect of their games.

That sounds decent. Cheers.

Also Mod seems to be complaining about competing for things, in a competetive game. Mod is not alone in this, many people have the same opinion that devs shouldnt forget that a game isn't only played by the pros but also by 'normal' people. 

But how can a dev produce a competetive game where normal and 'pro' players have an equal footing? Normal players and skilled players can't be on an equal footing in a competetive game. Because the point of the game is to determine who is best at the game.

Black Ops 2 uses a league system now much like Starcraft. That goes someway to seperating pros and noobs casuals.

Although that said my pro playing CoD mate has made an alternative account he won't play until christmas day so in his own words he can mow down all the kiddies getting it for christmas.

Heat map for all kills on Valhalla, ever. So using the Laser on the hill is likely to get you killed, risk/reward for LoS. Other killzones are the bases and two heavy choke points. Pretty standard MP fair really.

RamSteelwood wrote:

it's horses for courses, innit...for me, that quake vid bollockoff posted just looks awful, it's like a video montage of my online PC shooter history (with me being the people being killed at insane speeds with no idea how or why it happened).

I wish I could glasgow kiss through the internet and out someone's monitor.

Olimite wrote:

Jacuzzi_Jackson wrote:

So the future of FPS should have no power weapons, no kills streaks, no score line as this can be exploited in a 'rich get richer' sense, no advantage to skilled players.....

Obviously not, but it should cater to people who don't spend what feels like every second of every day playing.

Don't think I've ever got past lv25 in any cod game as I resent getting killed by people with better stuff than I have access to because I haven't played it for three months straight. Weapon spawns are better than loadouts as it comes sown to more skill and luck rather than grind.