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Dinostar77

The entire Xbox 1 ecosystem runs in Hyper-V VMs natively as a bare metal Hypervisor. One VM for OS, one VM for Games, one VM for Apps and now the Xbox 360 VM. The details as to how MS got the 360 working in software are a closely guarded secret.

AJ

You sound pretty confident about the fact. Is there actual evidence they did it all in software?

davyK

If that's the case I am simultaneously surprised and not surprised.

Not surprised because they are architecting everything server-wise(and PC? not so sure) to run on their own hypervisor.

Surprised that a console has the power to run things that way (though if PCs do it then fair enough). Probably a stripped down version of Hyper-V as it's running on a closed system and also doesn't require various enterprise features related to pan-host migration etc.

Impressive nonetheless.

acemuzzy

I don't think hypervisors need that much grunt, particularly if there's no contention/ scheduling to worry about cos different cores and whatnot.

[Deleted User]

I wish a hypervisor was what I think it is.

AJ

It's one of these, isn't it?

[Deleted User]

We can only dream!

Dinostar77

AJ wrote:

You sound pretty confident about the fact. Is there actual evidence they did it all in software?

Yeh, I'll dig out some links when I'm not getting drunk.

AJ

Cool, thanks. I'm pretty confident you'll have misread them, though; not using the GPU that's just sitting there and, presumably, backwards compatible with the previous gen instruction sets, would be madness.

Dinostar77

There are alot of Google links to sites which state that a software emulator of the Xbox 360 was created by MS for the Xbox 1 so backwards compatibility would work. Details of how they dealt with the cpu instructions frm the 360 software are thin on the ground. I believe this information isn't public knowledge I could be wrong. We know that for now virtualisation of a Cpu isn't possible which is why all cpu instructions frm VMs are passed to a physical cpu.

I wonder if the 360 instructions are being re-coded on the fly for the Xbox 1 cpu?!?

AJ

Could be. As I said, though, I'm more concerned with the GPU; as far as I know, it shouldn't even be possible to emulate that on the One's CPU.

Dinostar77

http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-one-the-hardware-specs-and-architecture/

Geeky breakdown of xbox 1.

I'd guess the GPU instructions of the emulated xbox 360 are passed through to the physical GPU of the Xbox1 via the Hypervisor.

Bob

Bastion on Vita.

Better than the iPad version but slightly spoiled as I'm offline and it keeps interrupting the game to tell me I'm not on the leaderboards because I'm off line.

acemuzzy

I hate games that do that. Like fine say it once then shut the fuck up.

Bob

The way Sony have implemented it on vita is fucking awful. The cunts.

Dogfingers

Currently trying to get into Disgaea 5 and failing. The main character sounds like he's had a lobotomy and the woman is just annoying. I just finished 4 which was great, so this is a bit of a shame.

Dark Soldier

DOOM. DOOM AM BEST.

regmcfly

Played a lot of Gears 4 today, up to act 3 chapter 6. It's fucking middling as fuck. Generoshootmen

hylian_elf

The shooting not any fun?

hylian_elf

I'm only on Act 2 and thought it was finally picking up.

regmcfly

I'm finding it a real slog tbh. Binary Domain did better robot shooting years ago. The end of act 1 with the

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was a real low. There's an on rails section later that seems devoid of any real need for you to do much input, and aside from the part where you get a funny Easter egg if you shoot all of

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the characters, plot and dialogue are fairly meh. It's a really solid well put together game, I'm just finding it a slog as it feels exactly the same as 1-Judgment. I enjoyed 2 most, by 3 it felt bereft of ideas and Judgment was kind of cool with some things it's done but also completely unnecessary. Feels like Uncharted 4 in that it's gone to the well so many times, and to and extent, there's others out there doing the same thing and better. It's Gears. Shrug.

g.man

One was good. Two was brilliant. Anything after just seemed pointless.

regmcfly

Pretty much that.

Dark Soldier

OG GoW was my last 'holy shit' graffix moment in videogames. Went from PS2 to a freshly bought 360 and GoW on my new HD TV and it was a fucking revelation.

regmcfly

I'll finish it for sure, but it's totally something I used to blast through while hungover today, as it's pretty nuts and bolts.

Decided today wasn't a day for getting in with my catbird.

regmcfly

Dark Soldier wrote:

OG GoW was my last 'holy shit' graffix moment in videogames. Went from PS2 to a freshly bought 360 and GoW on my new HD TV and it was a fucking revelation.

For me it was loading up Dead Rising and being able to read the writing.

RamSteelwood

Started on 'the journey' in FIFA 17. Nice idea, but it's starting to really frustrate. Firstly, the whole thing drags on...loading to a menu, loading to a cutscene - watch cutscene, loading to another menu, loading to training screen, loading to individual training sessions - do the training, loading back to menu, loading to game eventually.
but then actually playing is becoming frustrating. it only seems right to play as Hunter rather than the whole team, but then you're just totally reliant on the AI...waiting around for them to win the ball back, then getting punished when they don't finish the chances you create, or don't receive a pass properly, or don't pass when you want and then you're docked marks for 'bad call for pass'. i could drop the skill level and/or play as the whole team, but that just seems a bit wrong.

JonB

I don't know how it compares to PES, but in BAL mode there's a certain amount of adjusting your expectations if you're going to get the most out of it. Personally I really like the idea of having to make the most of occasional opportunities on the ball, because it puts some pressure on you. It's also fine that the other players will miss chances you create and so on, just because that's football. It's frustrating, sure, but in a good way. And it's not like you have to win every game and make or score all the goals.

But as I say, I don't know - FIFA may just be shite.

hunk

Dark Souls 2, SotFS.
Fuck these levels: whoever designed the misty phantom forest and the cursed woods should've been fired. Shittiest level design in a Souls game ever...

Facewon

JonB wrote:

I don't know how it compares to PES, but in BAL mode there's a certain amount of adjusting your expectations if you're going to get the most out of it. Personally I really like the idea of having to make the most of occasional opportunities on the ball, because it puts some pressure on you. It's also fine that the other players will miss chances you create and so on, just because that's football. It's frustrating, sure, but in a good way. And it's not like you have to win every game and make or score all the goals. But as I say, I don't know - FIFA may just be shite.

Being one of 22 on the pitch would be a real interesting dymnamic. Can imagine it could get frustrating. NBA2k has had it for a while, but being one of 10 and 5 a side in a much smaller area means it's far less waiting.

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