Don't be silly.Roujin wrote:... Aint gonna be no more short circuits, aint gonna be no more batteries not included, aint gonna be no more Leons, Big Trouble in Little Chinas, no more Predators (I don't mean the franchise, rip Predator my son, am so sorry for u), no more Citizen Kane's thats fucking fo sho. no more 2001s. ....
g.man wrote:So...where does Ep9 actually now go with it's narrative then? Thoughts anyone?
g.man wrote:So...where does Ep9 actually now go with it's narrative then? Thoughts anyone?
I'm pretty sure Empire would stand up to that hyper-analysis but maybe not, who knows.Roujin wrote:I'm 100% on board with this, i have no truck with pointless nitpicking for the sake of it, and the emotionless, robotic way in which people go through a film and say 'OMG SCIENCE DOESNT WORK THIS WAY' or the repugnant way I have to wade through a tide of totally disproportionate criticism relating to the way female characters behave compared to male character. There is definitely an increasingly large group for whom suspension of disbelief seems to be a struggle, or just somethign that is getting in the way of having a circlejerk trashing of a movie for the sake of having a the circlejerk and revelling in LOL THIS IS SO SHIT LMAO LOOK AT ALL THESE PEOPLE ENJOYING IT, DUM DUMS! The personal attacks on director and actors, etc. It all comes together and reeks of internet nerd fanboyism in the worst way. or just people who are cunts full stop, they're all in the mix. In particular, siting the RLM videos as an example, I think that was a lot of people's first experience of looking at a film with a critical eye and trying to break it down and analyse what made it good or bad. The only problem with that is that the Plinkett videos only worked so well because the prequels were devoid of almost anything positive beyond the VFX and that somehow that kind of eye should be cast over every film in that manner, with no accounting for conext, size of production, etc. Like no nuance at all applied to anything, just go in there and critique every aspect of a film no matter what the context. I agree with you that it's not constructive and that in conjunction with budget size, the reception of a film online is probably a big factor in the development of a lot of films now, and it must be having a homogenising effect somewhere, I mean we live in an age of reboots and milking sequels out of anything that manages to do well at the box office. It's more business than art at this point, or thats how it feels to me and that makes me sad. Aint gonna be no more short circuits, aint gonna be no more batteries not included, aint gonna be no more Leons, Big Trouble in Little Chinas, no more Predators (I don't mean the franchise, rip Predator my son, am so sorry for u), no more Citizen Kane's thats fucking fo sho. no more 2001s. At least not in the same way, all those kind of films these days exist in a much smaller space it seems, perhaps with the exception of films made by directors who end up with a rep for producing certain kinds of films well, the Del Toros, Tim Burtons, etc. That's how it feels to me, I could be chatting ultimate breeze though. I think we're on the same page-ish, but you are much less old and jaded and grumpy than old man Rouj. To your credit.The issue I have is that this kind of new criticsm, this overwhelmingly thorough, hugely reductive and painstakingly analytical style of inspection of a film that has been fostered online would probably crush any number of classics including the OG films by virtue of ultimately not being a useful mode of understanding stories. It’s all about formalisation of ideas into hard logical ideas, very game feeling systems of progression and so on that have to make absolute logical sense at all times... and that’s simply not what stories are about? They’re full of contrivances and shortcuts to reinforce themes and ideas. They’re full of mistakes and concessions, of characters doing what they want as opposed to perfectly following on the arcs of expectation. Resolution is allowed to be unsatisfactory, because in life it so often is. Tying things up with a bow is equally criticised, so the line of acceptance feels incredibly narrow. I understand why this mode of criticism is popular, and why it tends to rear its head more around things like Star Wars and the Marvel films and so on, but I am not sold on it as being in any way constructive. It’s definitely reductive, and I think it may well lead to safe studio films being made even safer, but I worry that we’ve reached a critical mass online of a certain type of review being tolerated and accepted over any other type. I dunno, I’m rambling here, but ultimately I think there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike TLJ and plenty to love it, but as someone in the middle but closer to the latter side, all I ever seem to hear are arguments that paint Rian Johnson as some kind of cartoon villain who incompetently failed upwards and made a SW film that was utterly full of mistakes that no one at any production level noticed, instead of someone who attempted to tell a story that they thought would resonate with a modern audience. The tools being used to prove that seem to me fairly unhelpful. There are more pertinent things to deconstruct, such as whether the ideas and and themes presented are even worth attempting in a big race to the bottom franchise like SW. But sure, the inconsistency, childishly calling Rian names, a stupid petition to get a film remade instead of just accepting it and moving on.
Depends really. I reckon they'll come up with some new franchise strategy. Abrams is having to work backwards though. TLJ closed off a lot of the story and presumably Abrams will have to keep the ending relatively open to give the further films somewhere to go. It's probably going to be a piss poor trilogy by the time it's all said and done.g.man wrote:So...where does Ep9 actually now go with it's narrative then? Thoughts anyone?
pray for panty....he took a risk and went back in and didn't seem to make it back out.pantyfire wrote:You know what? I'm going to watch TLJ right now just to fuck with everyone.
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