Street Fighter V - The Bear and Badger

hylian_elf

I only watch it now. And only because vids turn up on my YT feed cos I watched some matches before so I just watch finals or something.

I have no time to play much stuff nowadays. I give up trying to find time.

RedDave2

Smang wrote:

every discussion around this game is either people slagging it or trying to justify why they play it...

try something else and see the light.

Tried other stuff. Still like this. each to there own. But I don't think posting comments as to why it's good in the sfv thread is that silly. And from my point, I thought it held up well after playing the other sf2 and 3 games for a good while.

mk64

Got a link elf?

hylian_elf

dynamiteReady

hylian_elf wrote:

I only watch it now. And only because vids turn up on my YT feed cos I watched some matches before so I just watch finals or something. I have no time to play much stuff nowadays. I give up trying to find time.

Same here...

So... Is this just a function of age?

hylian_elf

Kids (and work) innit

Making as much time as I can for Sekiro as I did for DMC5, as they are absolute essentials for me, but neglecting sleep and some time with kids for other games just isn’t worth it anymore.

Also can’t conmit to arranging multiplayer anymore. And also don’t have dedicated gaming room anymore.

mk64

The video was intense.

Smang

:'D

WTF

https://twitter.com/ProsodiJ/status/1115388015499571200

Roujin

Hahaha sick! That's like that Vega glitch where he just flies away and the screen keeps panning upwards.

Smang

i knew i should have kept chunning. looks pretty easy to do as well

Dogfingers

Me and Curtis had a good session on this last night and it was a good laugh. Here's the thing, played at our level its fine, I'm Super Gold and we have mostly back and forth matches. Played at a Pro level I can imagine it's frustrating as fuck because you can't zone (barring maybe Menat) or defend reliably. You are forced to play a certain way. So many characters have total bullshit that you can't react and have to rely on reads. Akuma, Ibuki, Bison, all main offenders for this.

It's a game about getting your opponent in the corner and battering them. At my level its a good fighting game, not great (like IV was), but good and fun enough for me to invest an hour or two with friends.

hunk

SF5 is okayish but certainly not great compared to previous installments.
Gameplay is way too offense orientated with not enough defensive options.
It all revolves around the vortex rush down which comes down to guessing games (reads?) on whether the opponent will go for another link or mix it up with a throw. Invincibility startup frames on specials are mostly reserved for ex and supers so you can't reliably do defensive specials anymore; a design change which has a huge impact on the gameplay.

The other thing is some characters (special) moves have almost no recovery time. Combine that with elongated stun block times and you can spam certain links into infinity. If you're without meter backed into a corner you are fucked defensively.

The game is super accessible tho, any noob can jump in and try to do zoning/throwing strategies which work at lower skill levels. Once you get to silver though expect vortex rushdowns to dominate and frustration to build up. The game still feels inherently broken at the core when it comes to defense.

RedDave2

With season 4 definitely the wind down, what do people want from a sf 6? Or is a long break needed while something else fills this gap for capcom? Say a return of darkstalkers, another marvel (without the capcom fighter) or even a whole new fighter IP?

ChopperByrne

Want them to not worry about accessibility.

Most casual players don't become tournament players because it's accessible.

Load the game with single player content from launch, and ensure the netcode/input delay is really good.

Roujin

RedDave2 wrote:

or even a whole new fighter IP?

They should do Darkstalkers 4 and not fuck it up. This also ties into Chopper's comment about not worrying about accessibility, at least not in the mechanics, just put an accessible control scheme in like other games where you can do an easy one button combo or easy input special moves, and the trade off is that you do reduced damage and you're stuck doing basic combos. Leave all the links and batshit sako combos intact.

I think the main thing they should focus on is not rushing the development, don't pick the launch window of the next gen, just pick a date some years from now and aim for that.

Speedhaak

I want to see a return of SSFIV level of mechanics. I hated SFV...

hunk

Agreed, Capcom should do a DarkStalkers game in the new unreal 4 sfv engine.
Crazy combo's. specials and supers but bring back the defensive options please. No nerfed specials with 0 invincibility startup frames.

Brooks

Capcom are a spent force. Accept this.

dynamiteReady

The latest Monster Hunter was a 10 though, right?

hylian_elf

The latest Devil May Cry was a 9 though, right?

hunk

ChopperByrne wrote:

Want them to not worry about accessibility. Most casual players don't become tournament players because it's accessible. Load the game with single player content from launch, and ensure the netcode/input delay is really good.

This.
Also rank players more accurately so matchmaking can be fairer and more precise. This way n00bs can climb the ranks gradually without seasoned players (bottomfeeders?) picking them off all the time. No need to dumb down the game mechanics, allow players to learn gradually at their own pace as they climb the ranks.

Also, adapt the control scheme to fit modern (console) controllers and not arcade sanwa sticks (sf2,sf3,sf4). I didn't like sf4's FADC because of that, too fiddly to execute consistently on a pad.

Brooks

dynamiteReady wrote:

The latest Monster Hunter was a 10 though, right?

As regards fightman, I should've said. MHW is very good.

hylian_elf

Punk in another main tourney Grand Final, this time with Daigo at Mixup 2019. Seems to be the man to beat right now. Watched it. Not a great final until last couple of games.

mk64

Mental final (last three sets)

Smang

if capcom made another darkstalkers they'd fuck it with DLC, let alone half bake what ends up in the game.

GG was a spiritual successor to darkstalkers anyway. Give the IP to arc and their fancy graphics engine - i will rampage when they inevitably redesign the DS characters in the sfv style.

RedDave2

Smang

my point.

so lame, two of those are for the same character.

RedDave2

I really like the idea of arc doing a capcom game. I've always had trouble with the quirky designs of arcs characters, if they were using street fighter or dark stalkers characters it might help me settle in.

hunk

Capcom vs SNK v.3.0
Dooo iiiiiiiiittttt Capcom!

hunk

Also tearing it up with Ryu parrying the fuck out of everything and everyone is tremendous fun in 5.

Capcom vs Arc.
Now there's an idea....

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