monkey wrote:Really not understanding the passion this is igniting. The EU are simply stopping Britain from fucking Spain by making sure they come to a mutually agreeable solution over border issues. The same way they stopped Britain from fucking Ireland. The Gibraltans aren’t pawns in this anymore than the Northern Irish were. They’re just both allied to Britain who doesn’t give a fuck about either of them.
monkey wrote:Really not understanding the passion this is igniting. The EU are simply stopping Britain from fucking Spain by making sure they come to a mutually agreeable solution over border issues. The same way they stopped Britain from fucking Ireland. The Gibraltans aren’t pawns in this anymore than the Northern Irish were. They’re just both allied to Britain who doesn’t give a fuck about either of them.
Funkstain wrote:monkey wrote:Really not understanding the passion this is igniting. The EU are simply stopping Britain from fucking Spain by making sure they come to a mutually agreeable solution over border issues. The same way they stopped Britain from fucking Ireland. The Gibraltans aren’t pawns in this anymore than the Northern Irish were. They’re just both allied to Britain who doesn’t give a fuck about either of them.
I think the commitment to letting Spain veto Gibraltar being part of the UK trade agreement with the EU, to any extent, is a shitty choice that absolutely uses the people who live there as pawns - it’s saying “agree with our trade deal the way we want it or we’ll make life very hard for you via this issue, regardless of what the people who live on the rock want”
Funkstain wrote:Happy to be shown that I’ve not understood the implications of the decisions properly. However it seems to me that a mutually agreeable solution to deal with borders is included in the whole EU/UK deal thing, regardless of where those borders are: Ireland, channel, North Sea, Gibraltar...
The issue appears to be that the EU is saying, regardless of the whole EU/UK deal which would cover all borders, Spain would be allowed to specifically veto / exclude Gibraltar from that deal -potentially scuppering the whole thing, or potentially screwing the gibraltans. And when I think about why the EU would do this, I can only come up with “it helps their negotiations”, and that seems shitty to me.
He'll be ok, I hear his uncle had just sourced him the new WiiU, before it's even come out.g.man wrote:I just hope that Mathew will be alright.
Minnesänger wrote:Beggars belief.SpaceGazelle wrote:If I was Gib I'd be begging for EU rule.
LivDiv wrote:Agreed.
I have a feeling though they would choose UK and the way Spain are going about things would suggest they think the same.
Even if they did choose UK it should be easy enough to come to a solution, if we can have an Irish Sea border we can draw a line around Gibraltar's coast as well.
My annoyance comes from Spain and in turn the EU attempting to shut down any conversation beyond Spain get Gibraltar.
The reality is, this is the shit that starts wars. I'm not saying it will but this is how they start.
Funkstain wrote:So weird that the focus of Cinty's anger still seems to be lost here. That focus is on the EU, and the way they seem to have chosen to use Gibraltar as a bargaining chip in negotiations when they didn't have to, and when it seems wrong to have done so. They can and should include all UK territories in both negotiations AND joint outcome of those negotiations, and letting Spain say "yep we're fine with all that shit but not as regards this territory, fuck them". This will have the obvious result of either scuppering the negotiations as a whole, or fucking over the inhabitants of the rock. Is this not clear?
Everything else (whether Gibraltar should really be part of Spain or the UK; whether the inhabitants voted for leave or remain; etc) isn't related to why he's pissed off. Doesn't that make sense to anyone?
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