what to reason do we have not to?
Dinostar77 wrote:Dinostar77 wrote:Kow, not sure if you have seen it but you might like it for shits and giggles.
https://videobin.co/qwp1y8i7kplt
Its episode 1. Secret of Skinwalker Ranch
https://mixdrop.co/f/pk49kz4ki9vj4r
Epsiode 2
https://videobin.co/bwoiog6hf6u7
Episode 3
https://mixdrop.co/f/l6n7vp17hdw9x6
Episode 4
https://mixdrop.co/f/4nv86xgruqklo4v
Episode 5
This is quite entertaining series. Will add links as i go.
Episode 6 and 7 havent aired yet
Up to end of episode 2. Spoiler for up to end of episode 2.
Spoiler:
currently working on a peer-reviewable scientific paper
Yup - "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"bad_hair_day wrote:Scepticism should always be the starting position for any incredible claims.
TBH, I only really consider multiple testimonies reliable if they were taken *immediately after* the events, in isolation from each other (so no chance to collude/agree story), under no duress or leading questions, and the details *don't* contradict each other. The more time between the events and the retelling, to less reliable the testimony IMHO, for a whole host of reasons.bad_hair_day wrote:Looking for answers to your supplemental questions, something to consider with multiple accounts both written and presented. Some details will be unintentionally contradictory by process of the different views, time elapsed etc but it's the series of chained events as a whole which focuses my interest in understanding what happened in 2004.
Ooh, something underwater the "size of a 737"... or maybe the size of a submarine? The more information you tell me, the more this sounds like America was testing covert "submarine-launched-drone/UAV" technology and how good it is at avoiding enemy detection by launching it around their fleet and seeing if the ships and planes could detect and track the drones.bad_hair_day wrote:All the pilots (in the report) were looking around and down out of the canopy as nothing was on the plane radar at their 'merge plot'. Some much larger object seemed to be under the water and causing white surf on the blue sea (the size of a 737) which is the only reason they got the visual on the comparatively small 40ft white 'Tic Tac'. ...
No, you can't know that, because the FLIR video clearly couldn't get a range on the object. All we can determine is that it was roughly in the direction of the CAP point, not it's location. IIRC, the map in the video showed the fleet offshore and the CAP point closer to the shore, so the plane would have been pointing towards land. So it could have been even further away and over the mainland.bad_hair_day wrote:It was hovering near there CAP when the second sorte (about 30 miles I think) FLIR picked up the (same?)object.
Right, so yourself and Dino have been telling me these are experts using top of the line tech, but now you're telling me they were using a short-range, ground-targeting IR tech (that records in Video8 tapes!) ? No wonder it couldn't get a decent range reading for something in the air at long range.bad_hair_day wrote:Worth knowing this sensor isn't normally used for combat but IR ground targeting at a closer range.
As goober points out, this is not what they stated in their report. There was no "jamming".bad_hair_day wrote:The F18 radar could 'see' it but was being jammed by the UFO so couldn't get a (weapon) lock.
But it can turn somewhat on gimbal, as goober pointed out, and as evidenced in the FLIR video itself where it shows camera angle changes over the entire length of the video. If you are directly heading towards, and the camera angle to it keeps changing, that object is clearly not stationary, it is moving. As further evidenced by every time the view mode is changed, the tracking is lost briefly and the object moves out of the center of the targeting reticle in the same direction, to the left, at around the same steady rate that it leaves the FoV when it loses tracking on the final view mode change in the video.bad_hair_day wrote:Any debunking of this capture should note the FI8 was nose facing as was the FLIR, perfectly consistent with the pilot testimony, who said the thing just exited the FOV and was gone. ...
Well, yes, the report taken at the time is in contradiction with Fravor's claims. The operator making no attempt to turn the manually turn the camera to try to get it tracking the object again is very much in conflict with the claim that the 2nd pilot up had the intention "I'm gonna find that thing" during their test flight.bad_hair_day wrote:'As LT XXXX watched the object it began to move out of the FLIR field of view to the left LT XXXX made no attempt to slew the FLIR and subsequently lost situational awareness of the object'
'Made no attempt to slew'. Doubt it was he couldn't be bothered after the convos with the skipper/ what had transpired earlier. Sounds too inconsistent and probably a fault of the investigator misunderstanding or just clumsy grammar?
Cool, spoilered those.Dinostar77 wrote:Superfly can you spoiler the Skinwalker stuff please? I think kow was planning to watch and its a spoiler for the show. Travis's theory is a spoiler and out of context makes no sense. I like the show, its interesting to see the scientific approach. Looking forward to the next two epsiodes.Superfly@Spoiler:Spoiler:
superflyninja wrote:Cool, spoilered those.Dinostar77 wrote:Superfly can you spoiler the Skinwalker stuff please? I think kow was planning to watch and its a spoiler for the show. Travis's theory is a spoiler and out of context makes no sense. I like the show, its interesting to see the scientific approach. Looking forward to the next two epsiodes.Superfly@Spoiler:Spoiler:
Regarding your spoilers:Spoiler:
superflyninja wrote:...I asked if anyone watched skinwalker ranch show and I got nuthin!!!!...
yourfavouriteuncle wrote:I think it’s Aliens at skinwalker. Definitely.
Dinostar77 wrote:Lol. Thats a tired line. I know your a handsome chap, how about using your brain sometimes The show is very good btw, and i think it can be explained by science. Quote by the lead scientist Travis Taylor, who hates the word "paranormal". "..I don’t like the word paranormal. I don’t like it at all because it suggests that if we see something in the universe and it exists within the universe that it’s not supposed to be in the universe. And what I saw was within our universe so to me I’d say it’s normal. I’d say [it's] something that we just don’t understand and don’t know what it is. Now what I will tell you is that absolutely without a doubt we have scientific instruments that detected and measured, multiple witnesses see, multiple cameras and multiple occasions, phenomena that cannot be explained by human technology. It doesn’t mean it can’t be explained by a better or future understanding of physics but it does mean we can’t explain it with human technologyyourfavouriteuncle wrote:I think it’s Aliens at skinwalker. Definitely...."
yourfavouriteuncle wrote:Haven’t they all packed up and left there now though? Bankrolled no more?
He bought the ranch off Bigelow didn't he? Bigelow's findings are confidential still Wonder why he gave up the ranch.Dinostar77 wrote:Not got to the end of the series yet. Two episodes left to go. The ranch is owned by a billionaire so if he wanted ge could fund stuff himself. But i guess he didnt become a billionaire by being so generous.yourfavouriteuncle wrote:Haven’t they all packed up and left there now though? Bankrolled no more?
superflyninja wrote:He bought the ranch off Bigelow didn't he? Bigelow's findings are confidential still Wonder why he gave up the ranch.Dinostar77 wrote:Not got to the end of the series yet. Two episodes left to go. The ranch is owned by a billionaire so if he wanted ge could fund stuff himself. But i guess he didnt become a billionaire by being so generous.yourfavouriteuncle wrote:Haven’t they all packed up and left there now though? Bankrolled no more?
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