Armitage_Shankburn wrote:Thank u Tempu, I am gloating indeed. Feels gud man. I don't really want to argue, really, but the judgment is there if you wanna read it. It is actually very accessible, and as usual, cuts out all the shit. The only missing piece for you may be this "trans ppl exist" angle of yours. In legal terms, when you are considering the interests of a child (which should be the only question here, when considering whether to take medical hormonal intervention to delay biological changes), you do not consider the interest of a third party, a totally unrelated adult trans person who might consider what happens to this child, or the policy that applies to this child, to be a statement or reflection on them. Which is a polite way to say, this angle is totally irrelevant. And it is. It might be relevant emotionally for a trans person who is happy with their choice, which one imagines is virtually all of them, but that is because that person lives in a society that until recently (and arguably still) viewed them as freaks/ deviants/aberrations. It's a question of messaging and reassurance: making sure the child has the opportunity to shape their future is not a judgement on anyone's decision on their identity. But the question first and foremost is the interest of the child itself, not other people. It's simpl to me but then I am a lawyer who thinks doctrinally, I am male who knows 0 trans people and actually on reflection has 0 gay friends. I am cis to the max, so mayb I underestimate the messaging part of all this.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:I'm glad that you're delighting in the misery of trans kids Gonz.
That's a shitty thing to say, to be honest.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:That's a shitty thing to say, to be honest.Diluted Dante wrote:I'm glad that you're delighting in the misery of trans kids Gonz.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:Armitage_Shankburn wrote:That's a shitty thing to say, to be honest.Diluted Dante wrote:I'm glad that you're delighting in the misery of trans kids Gonz.
So was your post.
Nah mate, I was "gloaty" shitty, bit tongue in cheek. You done brung a machete to an open palm fist fight though. Can't you see that? "Delighting in the misery of trans kids?"
Diluted Dante wrote:I'm glad that you're delighting in the misery of trans kids Gonz.
What we really needed in trans healthcare is more gatekeeping. Sure, you, your parents, and your doctor might all agree that puberty blockers are in your best interest, but I suppose that having to go in front of a judge will prepare you for every other roadblock you'll face at every step of treatment, so why not. And if you kill yourself in the meantime, who cares, it's not like you were a real person.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:I recall Dante claiming that PBs were not a hormonal intervention, they just stop hormones, for example. Well this judgment I think puts paid to that.
Diluted Dante wrote:If you want me to take you seriously on this, you need to stop treating it like an abstract debate where you can 'win'.
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