IanHamlett wrote:Some okay points there and Rupert Murdoch is clearly the most evil man alive but did Mark David Chapman shoot John Lennon because of his religion? Did he have the sympathies of 20% of his countrymen that shared his religion? You all know I hate all religion but Islam does have some specific problems and I think we've tried the "it's just a few extremists" thing long enough.
IanHamlett wrote:They can think that if they like, and then grow the fuck up about it. I shouldn't have to watch what I say because a tiny percentage of 1.5bn people might want to kill me for it and a surprisingly large chunk of the rest would be okay with it.I think many people would have seen publishing pictures of Mohamed as an attack on their beliefs.
RamSteelwood wrote:but isn't the 'right of free speech' simply a belief held by a particular group of people? isn't it just an element of the modern 'religion' of the west? we don't believe in god, we believe in 'rights' like free speech and buying as many ipods as you can carry.
Exactly that. We exchange ideas and vote on who has the best ideas on who to run the country. We buy products that have the best ideas. If some people aren't saying some things because some other people take their imaginary friend waaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, like enough to actually murder strangers, then I'd expect my tax money to go towards helping the exchange of ideas become more free.dynamiteReady wrote:Ahh... Was looking for this line. So basically, you think you should be able to say what you like about people, and expect no consequence? Or heaven forbid, expect the tax paying public to support, and secure your right to insult the beliefs of others?IanHamlett wrote:They can think that if they like, and then grow the fuck up about it. I shouldn't have to watch what I say because a tiny percentage of 1.5bn people might want to kill me for it and a surprisingly large chunk of the rest would be okay with it.I think many people would have seen publishing pictures of Mohamed as an attack on their beliefs.
It's quite a uniting factor in a lot of dip shit behaviour. I do have a go at the other dip shits but this is a Charlie thred.Brooks wrote:It's the bit where you're somehow cordoning of this ISLAM thing as a treatable, autonomous entity that doesn't make very much sense.IanHamlett wrote:Some okay points there and Rupert Murdoch is clearly the most evil man alive but did Mark David Chapman shoot John Lennon because of his religion? Did he have the sympathies of 20% of his countrymen that shared his religion? You all know I hate all religion but Islam does have some specific problems and I think we've tried the "it's just a few extremists" thing long enough.
IanHamlett wrote:Exactly that. We exchange ideas and vote on who has the best ideas on who to run the country. We buy products that have the best ideas. If some people aren't saying some things because some other people take their imaginary friend waaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, like enough to actually murder strangers, then I'd expect my tax money to go towards helping the exchange of ideas become more free.Ahh... Was looking for this line. So basically, you think you should be able to say what you like about people, and expect no consequence? Or heaven forbid, expect the tax paying public to support, and secure your right to insult the beliefs of others?They can think that if they like, and then grow the fuck up about it. I shouldn't have to watch what I say because a tiny percentage of 1.5bn people might want to kill me for it and a surprisingly large chunk of the rest would be okay with it.I think many people would have seen publishing pictures of Mohamed as an attack on their beliefs.
IanHamlett wrote:It's about imaginary friends.
IanHamlett wrote:That doesn't cover the honour killings, lashing rape victims or marrying them off to their rapist, killing a whole school full of kids, not letting women drive unsupervised etc. 2015 FFS.
IanHamlett wrote:We exchange ideas and vote on who has the best ideas on who to run the country. We buy products that have the best ideas.
Facewon wrote:I'm always wary of the "self-censorship" argument.
Kow wrote:You could easily put together a list of horrors to describe America too, if you wanted - police murdering and imprisoning ethnic minorities, Westboro church, the Klan, imperialist invaders, CIA torture etc etc. Fuck it we should round up the yanks.
Not a fan of America either. Fuck Israel too.Kow wrote:You could easily put together a list of horrors to describe America too, if you wanted - police murdering and imprisoning ethnic minorities, Westboro church, the Klan, imperialist invaders, CIA torture etc etc. Fuck it we should round up the yanks.
Brooks wrote:Precisely. The issue is how all of these are various expressions of control and the need to control. People grasping for simplifications of the real to the detriment of decency.Kow wrote:You could easily put together a list of horrors to describe America too, if you wanted - police murdering and imprisoning ethnic minorities, Westboro church, the Klan, imperialist invaders, CIA torture etc etc. Fuck it we should round up the yanks.
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