GooberTheHat wrote:

Minnesänger wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

So am I in your evil category too?

Yup.

If you continue to deliberately ignore why people object to those who stand up against “#notall” arguments such as yours…if you don’t engage with any of my points and use simplistic, emotive questions like “am I evil?”

I said statistically more likely to abuse partners (true)
In power and more likely to abuse status to abuse people on the basis of race, gender etc (true)
Able to get away with political / social assassinations (true)
Constantly owning up to mistakes and promising to overhaul itself (true)

…then at that point you’re probably someone who looks the other way when you see evil. Which makes you evil.

In the last two months I've reported two colleagues to social services because of suspicions of domestic violence (without having any proof, just suspicions). I am not unique. How many people in private sector jobs would do this (and tell the person that they were going to do it)?

Can’t answer that. Probably best for the forum if I tone it down.

We just have to move on. Sorry bud and much love.

I was asked to drop it / tone it down and I’m happy to do so. I’m not apologising, though. Anyone wants to block me or ignore me as a result, that’s fine - I respect that.

Cinty is my hero, I love the man.

But reading this page, if this all turns on a failure to understand institutional evils vs individuals, I'm gonna go apeshit, badgers. We're better than this.

Ok it's only 2 pages I missed.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Cinty is my hero, I love the man.

This

Was after reading this:

Minnesänger wrote:

davyK wrote:

Surely that girl was the victim of assault? Plain and simple.

The police, with few exceptions, are actively evil. The MET have needed an overhaul since I was a kid - every few years they’re beating up a black kid and covering it up, or beating up a black woman and covering it up, or making racist jokes and covering it up, or assassinating people and pretending they’re terrorists, or raping women and trying to ignore that they’re officers, or kettling protestors, or going undercover and getting women pregnant or, or, or, or.

The Police are beyond saving. They’ll apologise time and time again, but it’s time to give up on them.

Because that post is beautiful.

I'm not arguing about precision, technical correctness or nuance. I just love the cadence and sheer simplicity of it. It says it all. Every assertion is true, just the overall take simplistic, if you're poppo or wookie especially. But if you're a minority, if you're the family of Jon de Menezes, if you're a London rudeboy, or even if you're ozno in his trackie bottoms in Southampton and a crazy blonde lady has driven her camper van into you... It is true.

De Menezes. 6 bullets in his skull. Swept under the carpet for years. The op chief gets promoted to head the met. His family get to watch that.

Occupy, UK uncut, environmental activists. Kettles. Infiltrated. Impregnated.

Put it this way. If the met was a Birmingham school, governors would be sacked, the school renamed, a clean sweep.

Something very wrong going on. And that beautiful post just sums it up, it's a piece of activism really.

But police are not intrinsically scum. It's a great job. Why is it that someone like wookie gets chewed up by it? He's exactly the sort of person we need in that job. Why is he dealing with failures by the health and social care system?

Put it another way, woolie got out, good for him. What kind of person DOESN'T get out? What are the incentives here?

*Disclaimer: 90% of bobbies I've met have been great. But most of these were professionally, like. The one time I had my trackie bottoms on and didn't shave and looked like... A Southampton refugee scumbag, they really gave it mw. Hard. I didn't have to spread my buttcheeks, thanks God, but still*

Woah. That was a tough read. Hard agree on the institutional arguments. I'll leave out of the rest.

I was coming in to post about a couple of aus examples going on right now.

Northern Territory cop Zach Rolfe has just been acquitted of all charges after shooting a 19 year old 3 times, 2 shots in the back. There's body cam footage seems to be damning or vindicating depending your prior assumptions.

A bunch of other info has come out that wasn't shown to the jury (who were all white, some with close relatives in the force) that predictably paint an ugly attitude.

Meanwhile Ben Roberts-Smith defamation case against the age/sydney morning herald continues to be a bizarre cavalcade of self owns.

Decorated sas Afghanistan vet. Highly likely committed numerous war crimes.

Both cases almost hard to know where to start. I'll try and find some solid links. But a google would lead you down some interesting/sad/frustrating rabbit holes.

The Mets gone to shit since Nick Angel left back in 2007. He pretty much carried the force. Sure, he turned around Sandford but is that really the best use of him? I guess it's for the greater good, but still.

Something something great big bushy beard.

That's a genuine shame. Hope everything is okay

I guess the question is whether an institution is so inherently evil that anyone even considering joining it, let alone actually doing so, is evil by association.

Personally I'm nervous about the word "evil" at the best of times. But I guess something like the KKK or Nazi party would be at the level of yeah wtf are you thinking of?!?

The police though? No. For me they're comfortably below that threshold. They have institutional problems, particularly in the met, but there are clear cases of them doing good too. I kinda get the stance as acab as intended as an attack on the institution, but taken to the extreme of insulting individual members here who pretty clearly are not evil is a bit wtaf?!?

And I'm pretty anti the suggestion that Andy might abstain from the forum because of one person's extreme opinion.

Minnesänger wrote:

Wookienopants wrote:

Who hurt you?

Not gonna tell you, pig.

Tbh, I think when someone is behaving like this to others on the forum, "expressing an opinion" doesn't quite cover it.  That's a cunt, showing you who they are.  

I can't speak for anyone else but I will say that I value Drew's contributions to the forum.  Don't let arseholes win.

I adore Drew, and feel terrible that I hurt him. I also don’t actually believe all Police are evil despite my bile.

I happen to think Drew is exactly the type of person I want in the police. He’s talked earnestly about it before and I’m glad he does the job he does.

And, in the interest of honesty, so you know I’m not bullshitting, I also think Wookie would have been a terrible, terrible police officer. I’m glad, both for his own sake, and that of the general public, that he no longer does the job. Beyond that, I do not think the police, as an institution, capable of reform. I did go way too far in expressing that opinion, though.

I’m not involved in FNF, so hopefully even if Drew feels betrayed by me (rightly) he still doesn’t cut himself off from an activity he enjoys and a group of people who enjoy his company.

Anyone who wants to block me can do so - I’ve always advocated for peoples’ right to do that.

My youngest daughter wants to be a police officer so she can “help people”

All the sarcasm in the world btw, just incase that's not clear.