Diluted Dante wrote:

SublimeEnvy wrote:

The Trace tried to do too much at once. Start small, do it amazingly well then expand. I like the idea of a podcast.  I'm out though. I'm seem to be working for free for a few companies.

I disagree to be honest, at least from a content perspective. I can't honestly remember whatever it was that Jim was proposing to do with the website, but apparently it was too complex for anyone else to pick up once this guy dropped off the face of the earth. I'm proposing something simple that can run itself - as I mentioned before I'm happy to Wordpress it if needed. I also don't think that anyone should be under any illusion that this is going to be something that starts raking in both hits and cash. The point is to give creative people, be they writers, artists, developers, or people who want to get drunk and talk to Dean a place to do that. If anyone has any illusion that is going to springboard them to stardom, or that it's in any way designed to do so should get off the train now. Again, I stress that it doesn't need to be something that happens here. If people feel that what I'm proposing isn't a great fit with this community, I'm happy to take it elsewhere, but obviously The Trace was drawn from this community, and I suspect there are others willing to contribute. As far as the second coming of Edge goes, the remit is much wider than Video games. Loosely, I think  The Trace went for Geek Culture, and it would be that sort of thing I'm wanting to do.

I think your best bet is to let Petey make a dedicated section for this site. Start populating it, lead by example and people will follow if they want.

No need for new sites, new logins, more maintenance and overheads.

By all means make an entirely separate entity if you want but I don't personally see the point and I don't think it represents your greatest chance of 'success'. Off shoot mixed media attempts haven't had the greatest track record thus far.

I would have said attaching something to this forum is the way to go.

Let's talk seriously people. This is an important community decision that's being mooted here, and it could have long term ramifications for our new home.
Personally, I remain unconvinced of the long term benefit to the community of much that is being mooted here, but I'm not going to pretend that my voice is louder than anyone else's here, so I'd urge people that if they have an opinion about any of this, then now is the time to speak up.
With the greatest respect (seriously) to all those that were involved over the years, The Player, The Score, and The Trace all failed for any number of reasons, and with their failure people either drifted back to EDGE forum or away completely. 
Let's not forget The Trace. One person left the project and the entire house of cards fell down. It would also appear, and I could be completely wrong here, that no-one else who was involved with that project even attempted to find out what had happened. It just ceased to exist one day, so everyone seemingly shrugged their shoulders and just got on with their lives.
I don't want that to happen here, and I personally don't want to be affiliated with the pimping of any sort of internet culture mag. Face it, we all know how short lived and unpopular most of them are.
If people want to write stuff, then I'm all for that. By all means create some sort of community blog system for The B&B, but for me, anything more than that is going to take some serious convincing.

so convince me

g.man

I like the idea of a podcast but currently who would truly give a fuck what was said, even from this forum? I wouldnt

I still would like something like a place where someone can post a piece, be it words, an image, a song, and it be commented on and voted up or down, ensuring the community look after what they feel people should be looking at and removing things that are rubbish for the sake of our eyes/'do better next time'

I don't think anyone's mooting anything more involved then essentially a blog - I don't think anyone's clamouring to go down the PDF magazine route again. I think if we were going to have a blog, my suggestions would to either 1) Ask Petey nicely for community blog functionality, and then wait patiently until he can find the time to implement it, or 2) Set up a Bear and Badger-branded Wordpress, maybe ask Petey to set up a redirect so blog.bearandbadger.co.uk or bearandbadger.co.uk/blog redirects to it and maybe add a link to the top menu (looks as though there's just enough room for the word 'Blog' up there. I think people just want a something they can throw words at, so I don't think it needs to be anything elaborate or anything split off from the community.

As for podcasts, I don't see why not. All it would involve would be adding a thread to link to episodes and announce new ones, and that would be the same whether it was explicitly Bear and Badger-linked or not.

EvilRedEye wrote:

As for podcasts, I don't see why not.

And I don't personally see why.

I can read people chatting about the games they've been playing here just fine. I don't need that transferred into 45 minutes of Skype quality recording and "can you still hear me" drop outs. It's also the hardest to organise and produce so most likely to fall first.

Some guy decides to do a podcast/blog then cherry picks his mates/forum 'names' privately. Pfft. No ta. Balls to using bandwidth hosting it as well.

That's what's happened in the past, I don't particularly want a repeat here. Keep it inclusive, let anyone who wants a go have a go, don't over complicate it, don't kick people in the balls with down votes.

It in't hard.

g.man wrote:

If people want to write stuff, then I'm all for that. By all means create some sort of community blog system for The B&B, but for me, anything more than that is going to take some serious convincing. so convince me g.man

Has anyone suggested anything different to that?

People want to create stuff that will be read. 

The biggest way to reach people who may want to read/watch/view your stuff is to stick to communities you're a part of.

I'm more likely to read Dante's disgusting post on Ryan Giggs because I know him. If he were just some random internet blog called Dante's Ryan Giggs project, I wouldn't give him a second look.

I personally have raised the thought of starting up a podcast with various folks - but no one has really been in a position to get it started again. If there were actually some honest to goodness interest from a few people, then I'd be a lot more willing to engage. 

Without tooting our horn, the podcast was probably the most successful thing the player/play.d boys and girls ever did. It wasnt the best thing we did by a long shot, but a fair few people enjoyed it for what it was. 

All we'd need (in the beginning) is a blog that would be a part of this community. Maybe add a separate forum to post links to and from and that would be it. Nothing more, nothing else.

If people wanted to drive traffic to their latest blog, it would be up to them to advertise it.

Does anyone really have anything against this?

The reason the various magazines/sites failed is because of the time investment needed from a dozen or so people on a very regular basis. It was tough, it didnt pay anything, it was ultimately a hobby that needed to take a back seat to real life. Writing a blog post once a week takes as long as you want it to. There's no editorial to subject to - it's just someone creating something they'd like to introduce to the community without the need for a forum thread.

Mod74 wrote:

As for podcasts, I don't see why not.

And I don't personally see why. I can read people chatting about the games they've been playing here just fine. I don't need that transferred into 45 minutes of Skype quality recording and "can you still hear me" drop outs. It's also the hardest to organise and produce so most likely to fall first. Some guy decides to do a podcast/blog then cherry picks his mates/forum 'names' privately. Pfft. No ta. Balls to using bandwidth hosting it as well. That's what's happened in the past, I don't particularly want a repeat here. Keep it inclusive, let anyone who wants a go have a go, don't over complicate it, don't kick people in the balls with down votes. It in't hard.

No one is asking you to listen to anything.

In fact, most would probably ask that you didn't, so they didn't have to read your negative diatribe about why it was such a worthless endeavour. Keep your negativity to yourself, 'mod. No one needs to hear it.

EDIT: To add - people are asking for some room to create some content that others might want to look at. Where's the issue?

Let's keep this civil chaps. 
People aren't being negative to piss others off. People just have very legitimate concerns about how any of this might affect the community in the long term.

no-one wants this place to fail.


g.man

google wrote:

Tell me of the negatives, please? All I see are positives, potential and zero risk.

I've already outlined my concerns further up the page.

regards

g.man

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g.man wrote:

google wrote:

Tell me of the negatives, please? All I see are positives, potential and zero risk.

I've already outlined my concerns further up the page. regards g.man

Yeah, but you seem to have assumed someone wanted to make an internet magazine/site that would pimp using this place.

I agree with you in that instance. 

But if you take the idea of a blog, where anyone from this place could contribute to, that linked back to this community - where's the issue. 

If no one creates content then no one creates content. Nothing happens. No one dies. No one is on the hook for money, payments, editorial, etc.

Mod74 wrote:

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Mod, I have only ever been involved with one internet magazine venture. It didnt work for a number of reasons and I would never try and do it again.

I'm not asking for your blessings to go ahead and create another magazine.

I'm stating that I believe we should have structure in place to allow the creation of content to be shared within OUR community. 

These are two different subjects and I would suggest your check your self-serving ego at the door less more people start throwing negative shit your way.

No, I sound like a knob

I just think let's walk before we run

cockbeard wrote:

No, I sound like a knob I just think let's walk before we run

Mate, you've said nothing out of place. In fact, I do somewhat agree with you - let's get the forum actually working 100% before trying to figure out extra's.

But that doesn't then neglect the argument being raised here about personal content being created to share with the forum.