In a broader sense, given that this didn't gain much from being a TV series, I really wish it hadn't been one.

A Wanda and Vision TV spin-off I get - they've always (in MCU terms) been B-list Avengers without their own movies. Loki is a secondary character and while I think people would go to see a Loki movie, a TV series is still pretty logical. You've always needed to keep up with the MCU to know where things are at with these characters.

This series just means that when Captain America movies return to the silver screen, you'll need to have been following a bunch of TV stuff to know what's been happening. I think that's a bit rubbish? Wasn't this a movie-worthy story? It's basically Sam's origin story as Captain America. Shouldn't this have been the first movie in a new trilogy? I don't get it.

Yeah you’re probably right there

I think there were 5 or 6 things going on in this show and all of them were under developed.

Like you say Freckles and Friends never really felt fleshed out.

The race stuff had to be laid on thick where it could have been more powerful if it was the thrust of the show. They converstaion in old man's house was actually quite good in the ep prior.

Will he wont he serum never really happened, he just didnt.

ArmMan had a My Name is Earl list, I don't remember that being a thing until the end there.

Kissalot and his rubber balaclava came and went.

Harry Kane went from 0-60 in 6 seconds, he really could have done with some time to breath. Even Anakin Skywalker took longer than that to get to killing.

Also suit was comic book accurate

Just finished watching it, to be honest, by the end of it I’d pretty much lost track of who about half the characters were and found myself fairly lost about who was punching who and why by the end of the episode. But whatever, it was still just about good enough to keep me watching until the end of the series and not leave me feeling like I wasted my time.

EvilRedEye wrote:

This series just means that when Captain America movies return to the silver screen, you'll need to have been following a bunch of TV stuff to know what's been happening. Wasn't this a movie-worthy story? It's basically Sam's origin story as Captain America. Shouldn't this have been the first movie in a new trilogy? I don't get it.

Not really, the end of Endgame, Cap gives Falcon his shield, next film, Falcon is Cap, that’s enough of the origin story. It’s not like Marvel has particularly bothered with origin stories for a while anyway, Black Panther, Spider-Man, they’ve just shown up fully formed.

Anything else that’s been introduced in this can be recapped in a scene or even a couple of lines of dialogue in the next movie without an issue.

Unlikely wrote:

I'm glad there were only six episodes.  Don't think I'd have stuck with it for much longer.  Is "US Agent" (which I think is what Val called Walker) a thing?

Yeah, it's his character in the comics.  (Though he started out as "Super Patriot").  He's pretty similar to the TV show in that he's a more powerful, less idealistic, version of Captain America.  Initially a villain, then an anti-hero/regular hero - though almost always a bit of a dick.

Cheers Tin.

Dante, I don't remember the list being shown in every single episode but you're right, the confession at the end to Old Chinese Guy was heavily foreshadowed throughout.  Mackie and Stan were both fine but there's a whole lot of filler crap in there too.  The Flag Smasher's habit of killing innocent people kind of undermined whatever their agenda was.  Also, I'm sure the boat is meant to be a metaphor for something but I don't give enough of a shit to give a shit.

It was ok. Just ok. A bit basic and obvious at the end, and the enemies were hollow with no weight. The fight scenes also were a bit pants. Someone else said here earlier it was like the kids were given the keys to the Marvel universe. But I still love the characters of Sam and Bucky and as someone who grew up with comic books the fact we have a mainstream high budget TV show with super heroes that is half decent is much appreciated. But compared to the highs of some of the movies and the weirdness of WandaVision I was hoping for more. That said, maybe the race narrative was more powerful for others or in the US and if so I appreciate that might be the case.

Roll on Loki.

Yossarian wrote:

I thought it was ridiculous in the movies too. The new ridiculousness that I noticed in that was how does he catch it? The arm loops must be spinning at a ridiculous rate under that shield, yet somehow he manages to shove his arm through one and grab the other.

You know, I considered this also but only now in Falcon but never in the movies. Surely the laws of physics decry that to catch it like that must result in either a) His arm being split in two; or b) The shield being split in two. I mean, to catch it like that requires it to stop spinning completely immediately.

But, hey, comic books!

The first half of that was an incoherent mess. Didn’t make any sense. Then Sam’s speech went on forever. I have no idea who the power broker is. I mean I know who she is. But no idea what that’s supposed to mean other than she’s a baddy.

These shows really think that putting someone in a new outfit is some kind of big, punch the air, pay off moment. Maybe it gives nerd boners to a lot of the audience. Scarlet Witch now has a long dress. Sam now has a red, white and blue tracksuit. USA Gent’s suit is now black. The way they fetishise these things is weird. Sam’s face thing is also weird. It isn’t a helmet, it isn’t a mask. It’s almost a snood. What is it?

Remember in X-Men 1 where Wolverine is moaning about wearing some leather jumpsuit and Cyclops asks him if he’d prefer yellow spandex. If Marvel did that now, they’d spend one season of tv building up to him putting on yellow spandex with a triumphant score in the background as he pulled his little blue boots on. I preferred it when they were more embarrassed by some of this stuff.

I like the Isiah Bradley bits.

It sometimes takes them a few goes to find an interpretation of the outfit that looks decent on screen. The original cap was ridiculous for at least a couple of movies.

I genuinely struggled to get through the final episode of this. The writing has been fucking rotten right from the start, and I'm afraid the finale did nothing to redeem it in my eyes.
Absolute garbage.

I assumed this show didn't actually have writers and they were just making it up as they went along?

People need gassing.

It's always been dumb kids stuff. But usually entertaining and well-made. Those days may be over. Especially if the box-office is less of a focus from now on and it's all about building up that content.