The Alternate 100 Greatest Games of the Last 30 Years (games released after 1 Oct 1993 only) - The Bear and Badger

Dark Soldier

Peggle 1 > 2 lad come at me

Olimite

Dark Soldier wrote:

Peggle 1 > 2 lad come at me

And it's not even close (although I love both).

Moot_Geeza

2 got played way more in my house. Couldn't tell you the differences, not played either for ages.

Moot_Geeza

RedDave2 wrote:

Unravel Two - played through with my daughter, one hell of a beautiful game. Not sure who it was but thanks to the Badger who recommended it as a co-op game.

I think this might've been me or Unlikely. Lovely little game, very high on my list of indelible daddy/daughter co-op memories.

SpaceGazelle

I keep thinking of good games that should be on and then I check and they are.

EvilRedEye

Any specific shout outs for best Worms?

ZMM

Majora's Mask isn't in the Edge 100? wtf

EDIT: Also no Cyberpunk or Death Stranding. Oh well, at least they can go on my list!

List:

Majora's Mask
Cyberpunk
Death Stranding
Waverace 64
Mario Paint
Snowboard Kids

Moot_Geeza

EvilRedEye wrote:

Any specific shout outs for best Worms?

Armageddon is my first thought but I think that's the case of bacause it's the one I played most. World Tour or a more recent one possibly have more options so one of those maybe.

Edit: W.M.D is the PS4 one I've got. That's good.

SpaceGazelle

Peggle's a good shout, as is Super Meat Boy and Mario Maker. There's a lack of point and clicks. Maybe a Monkey Island or Broken Sword.

Dark Soldier

Olimite wrote:

Dark Soldier wrote:

Peggle 1 > 2 lad come at me

And it's not even close (although I love both).

1 just has better characters/powers and levels. 1-1 through 1-6 are absolute perfection in Peggle 1.

LivDiv

EvilRedEye wrote:

Any specific shout outs for best Worms?

Gummy

Minnesänger

Moot_Geeza wrote:

The biggest omissions are Super Meat Boy, Celeste, Returnal, a recent DOOM, Peggle 2, Hotline Miami, Trails Evo, Rocket League and Astrobot: Rescue Mission imo. It's not a universally loved genre these days but SOR4 should really be in there. I did a big list of more but deleted it because I was squeezing too many indies-wot-I-really-like in (Shovel Knight, Lonely Mountains Downhill). Agree that a Worms, a Micro Machines and a Hawks should be in contention. Also a Pro Evo probably, the goodtimes were the best.

I'm...in 100% agreement with Moot...

monkey

EvilRedEye wrote:

Any specific shout outs for best Worms?

There's been so many of them I get mixed up. Battlegrounds was the second most recent and very good. Probably the best imo.

I think any of Armageddon, Battlegrounds and WMD are fine though.

Minnesänger

Armageddon imo.

SpaceGazelle

No Lemmings either.

EvilRedEye

SpaceGazelle wrote:

No Lemmings either.

The first two Lemmings games are too early.

SpaceGazelle

Boo but fair enough. I never read the docs.

Diluted Dante

monkey wrote:

EvilRedEye wrote:

Any specific shout outs for best Worms?

There's been so many of them I get mixed up. Battlegrounds was the second most recent and very good. Probably the best imo. I think any of the Armageddon, Battlegrounds and WMD are fine though.

I think it's either Worms Armageddon (99, PS1 for me), or Worms 2: Armageddon (2009, XBLA and PSN)

Moot_Geeza

Minnesänger wrote:

I'm...in 100% agreement with Moot...

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afgavinstan

Best Wipeout is Pure. Best THPS is 2. Best PES is 5.

mrsmr2

Is Pure the one that takes ages to accelerate? Didn't like that one.
Pulse is the best PSP Wipeout. Runs better as well.

davyK

Off the top of my head.

Worms Armageddon
F-Zero X / GX
Mushihimesama / Futari
DoDonPachi / DOJ
Mario/Virtua Tennis 1 /2
Bust-A-Move 2
Peggle Deluxe
Super Monkey Ball
Bangai O
Trials HD
Mr Driller / Drill Land
Super Meat Boy
Daytona 2001
Saturn Bomberman
Tempest 2000 and later

There's a pile of top notch shmups - Cave's bullet hell came in during the mid-to-late 90s. Games that have 100s of hours for the dedicated. but I'm rationing that.

More to follow.

hunk

EvilRedEye wrote:

Edge recently published a list of the 100 greatest games released during Edge’s lifetime. And while it is a list of great games, it’s also a pretty on-brand list that feels like it echoes a certain, fairly specific, outlook on gaming. To put it another way, it’s a good list but I feel like you could put together a completely different list of 100 games and it would be (lack of your Mario 64s etc. aside) be just as valid. So that’s what I want to do. Nominate your top games for the alternate 100 greatest games of the last 30 years. All games on the Edge top 100 are disqualified. The games have to have been released on 1 October 1993 onwards. You can use a later PAL release date to justify inclusion but not a remaster/remake/retro re-release. The games on Edge’s list are:

Spoiler:

100. Kentucky Route Zero 99. Warioware, Inc: Mega Microgames 98. Starcraft 97. God of War (2018) 96. Persona 5 95. Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast 94. The Sims 93. Yakuza 0 92. Fez 91. Team Fortress 2 90. Papers, Please 89. System Shock 88. Fallout 3 87. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker 86. Half-Life: Alyx 85. Thief: The Dark Project 84. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind 83. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 82. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 81. Super Mario Galaxy 2 80. Street Fighter IV 79. Tomb Raider 78. Fortnite 77. Bayonetta 76. Immortality 75. Katamari Damacy 74. Demon's Souls 73. The Last Guardian 72. Mario Kart 64 71. Resident Evil 70. The Last of Us Part II 69. Silent Hill 2 68. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 67. Chrono Trigger 66. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 65. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice 64. Halo 3 63. Shenmue 62. X-Com: UFO Defense 61. Red Dead Redemption 60. Xcom: Enemy Unknown 59. Advance Wars 58. The Witness 57. Hitman (2016) 56. Rez 55. Castlevania: Symphony of The Night 54. Mario Kart 8 53. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 52. Inside 51. Ico 50. Grand Theft Auto V 49. Quake 48. Mass Effect 2 47. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain 46. Pokémon Red/Blue 45. Into the Breach 44. Civilization II 43. What Remains of Edith Finch 42. Hollow Knight 41. Super Mario Odyssey 40. Dishonored 2 39. Street Fighter II Turbo 38. Return of The Obra Dinn 37. Hades 36. Slay the Spire 35. Metroid Prime 34. Spelunky 33. Journey 32. Disco Elyisium 31. World of Warcraft 30. Half-Life 29. Tetris Effect 28. Red Dead Redemption 2 27. Super Metroid 26. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25. Metal Gear Solid 24. Goldeneye 007 23. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 22. Portal 2 21. Bioshock 20. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom 19. Outer Wilds 18. Grand Theft Auto III 17. Shadow of the Colossus 16. Deus Ex 15. The Last of Us 14. Final Fantasy VII 13. Minecraft 12. Bloodborne 11. Super Mario Galaxy 10. Doom 9. Elden Ring 8. Portal 7. Half-Life 2 6. Halo: Combat Evolved 5. Resident Evil 4 4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3. Super Mario 64 2. Dark Souls 1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Alphabetical version for easy reference:

Spoiler:

Advance Wars Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn Bayonetta Bioshock Bloodborne Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Castlevania: Symphony of The Night Chrono Trigger Civilization II Dark Souls Demon's Souls Deus Ex Disco Elyisium Dishonored 2 Doom Elden Ring Fallout 3 Fez Final Fantasy VII Fortnite God of War (2018) Goldeneye 007 Grand Theft Auto III Grand Theft Auto V Hades Half-Life Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Alyx Halo 3 Halo: Combat Evolved Hitman (2016) Hollow Knight Ico Immortality Inside Into the Breach Journey Katamari Damacy Kentucky Route Zero Mario Kart 8 Mario Kart 64 Mass Effect 2 Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain Metroid Prime Minecraft Outer Wilds Outrun 2006 : Coast 2 Coast Papers, Please Persona 5 Pokémon Red/Blue Portal Portal 2 Quake Red Dead Redemption Red Dead Redemption 2 Resident Evil Resident Evil 4 Return of The Obra Dinn Rez Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Shadow of the Colossus Shenmue Silent Hill 2 Slay the Spire Spelunky Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Starcraft Street Fighter II Turbo Street Fighter IV Super Mario 64 Super Mario Galaxy Super Mario Galaxy 2 Super Mario Odyssey Super Metroid System Shock Team Fortress 2 Tetris Effect The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim The Last Guardian The Last of Us The Last of Us Part II The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker The Sims The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt The Witness Thief: The Dark Project Tomb Raider Uncharted 2: Among Thieves Warioware, Inc: Mega Microgames What Remains of Edith Finch World of Warcraft X-Com: UFO Defense Xcom: Enemy Unknown Yakuza 0

Very solid edge list. Only criticism I can think of is some ip is overrepresented but hey, it's their list.
Notable ommisions: Batman Arkham series, Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter to name a few.

davyK

Mario Kart 64 over DD is madness.
I don't agree with multiple entries for a single series anyhow. Two Halos? Please.

LivDiv

In addition to THPS 2/3 and Wii Sports which Ive already said.

Dino Crisis 2
Hogs of War
Banjo Kazooie
Diddy Kong Racing
Streets of Rage 4
Time Crisis 2
Timesplitters 2
Team Buddies
Detroit: Become Human
The Walking Dead: Season 1 (forum game of the year for whatever year that was iirc)
F Zero X
One of Rock Band/Guitar Hero
God of War 3
Batman Arkham City
Peggle (any)
The Stanley Parable

Moot_Geeza

The Stanley Parable +1

RamSteelwood

well, people choosing arkham city over arkham asylum shows why you weren't invited to contribute to the edge list!

I wasn't invited cos i forgot to include arkham asylum

davyK

davyK wrote:

Worms Armageddon
F-Zero X / GX
Mushihimesama / Futari
DoDonPachi / DOJ
Mario/Virtua Tennis 1 /2
Bust-A-Move 2
Peggle Deluxe
Super Monkey Ball
Bangai O
Trials HD
Mr Driller / Drill Land
Super Meat Boy
Daytona 2001
Saturn Bomberman
Tempest 2000 and later

Wii Sports Resort
Geometry Wars 2/3/Galaxies
Vib Ribbon

LivDiv

Its very, very close between Asylum and City but City just does that bit more.
Zipping around the city is really fun and Asylum doesn't offer that. The city is also really dense with things to see, references and atmosphere. Its not like a full open world game. The only thing Asylum has over City for me is the Scarecrow bits.

hylian_elf

hunk wrote:

Only criticism I can think of is some ip is overrepresented but hey, it's their list.

It's not their list, though, it's a list collated from readers' and writers' votes. And yes, overrepresentation can happen - 3 Zeldas in top 20 with another further down the list seems OTT. But I woukd have just Zelda games in my all time top 10.

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