The acoustic music discussion thread - The Bear and Badger

Moot_Geeza

Wasn't cuntish at all - I don't practice enough to possess any real skill anyway. Plus I can fall back on the wonky 30% useless little finger that had pins in it excuse.

Spock

Anyone who likes paired-back, acoustic music needs to get Bonnie Prince Billy's 'Master and Everyone'. A sublime album of songs. I don't know what kind of magical, alchemical process was undertaken to record this thing but it has this ultra-intimate, "close", breathy quality to it. E.g.

Moot_Geeza

I've got two of his albums, not that one though.

I quite like this cover:

But that's mainly because I was briefly obsessed with the original track, and this performance (spoilered, because it's become apparent from playing it at work that many people who hear it loathe it with a brutal passion):

Edit: Spoiler vid not spoilering. Sorry.

Bob

I've come into a second copy of john fulbrights excellent new album songs which is kind of folky Americana and getting good reviews.

Free to. Good home if anyone wants it?

Moot_Geeza

I'll pay for it Bob. Nearly pre-ordered it for £10.99, you'd be doing me a favour for anything less. From the Ground Up was great.

Brooks

My entire uh trajectory with guitar learn has been about fumbling towards my own canon. I have zero interest in playing anyone else's stuff, even the tunes I really like. If I need to develop the competence to execute one of my own schemes devised prior, it'll just happen.

Bob

Moot_Geeza wrote:

I'll pay for it Bob. Nearly pre-ordered it for £10.99, you'd be doing me a favour for anything less. From the Ground Up was great.

PM me dude and it's yours

nick_md

Brooks wrote:

My entire uh trajectory with guitar learn has been about fumbling towards my own canon. I have zero interest in playing anyone else's stuff, even the tunes I really like. If I need to develop the competence to execute one of my own schemes devised prior, it'll just happen.

Aye my Path of the Guitar has been similar, although when starting out covers were where I was at, decent to learn. Nowadays it's pretty much all my own bits with a sprinkling of elevators or similar, albeit usually still my own versions of.

Damn, hard to not sound like something of a douche discussing this: "yar I just play my own stuff these days yeah? Or, like, I might do some so and so but, like, my own versions, yeah?"

I'll punch myself in the face, don't worry.

Truth though. Original shit, blues jams, or elevators/erickson interpretations. Oh, or 50s stuff like Earth Angel or doo-wop, love that shit. I take requests also.

Moot_Geeza

nick_md wrote:

Oh, or 50s stuff like Earth Angel or doo-wop, love that shit. I take requests also.

I'm holding up a sign that says WALK, DON'T RUN by The Ventures. Massive fan of those 50s/early 60s instrumental guitar tracks.

Brooks

My guidance node is Arto Lindsay. He gave no fucks.

Granted my gear outlay is several times more expensive but

nick_md

Moot_Geeza wrote:

nick_md wrote:

Oh, or 50s stuff like Earth Angel or doo-wop, love that shit. I take requests also.

I'm holding up a sign that says WALK, DON'T RUN by The Ventures. Massive fan of those 50s/early 60s instrumental guitar tracks.

Ah man, fucking love surf stuff. Finally got a reverb gizmo a few months back and was just strumming and plucking Am, Em etc and doing bass rundowns like the start of Pipeline for aaaages. Plus the classic 50s C, Am, F, G is great surfy.

A little later but I stumbled over this at the same time and fucking loved it - really reminds me of Retro City Rampage for some reason:

Yeah I can listen to surf shit all day.

@Brooks - had to look that guy up. Yeah always respect people who forge their own style. Goes back again to what I was saying, why try to sound like someone else? Sound like yo'self innit.

I remember buying my classical years ago and the dude in the shop (some specialist spanish guitar shop near covent garden, closed now) was almost bollocking me for how I played: "don't do that, don't hold your hand like that, don't don't don't..." Fuck off, prick. Granted he may have been "right" in terms of classical playing but he was still a dick about it.

cockbeard

Really want to start learning guitar, had one sat at home for ages gathering dust. Iv dint think we should discos playing someone else's songs. It teaches people where chords are and how basic progressions work. It shows them to relate to what they are playing. Plus so many artists play so very differently, you can aim towards a certain sound and therefore the timings and cord structure accordingly

nick_md

Oh defo, when I started playing I spent ages learning Dylan songs which taught a lot of chords. My point was more about not getting hung up trying to emulate exactly.

I tried to learn Hey Hey by big bill a while ago but it's tricky enough getting it to sound decent, so instead I've just lifted the main riffs and turnaround, watered down a bit, and do a similar ditty instead.

I guess it's like when you hear a cover version by a band that sounds *exactly* the same as the original, little weak imo (not that I can think of any right now) - much prefer when a cover version comes out and it's like a new twist on a classic.

Anyway, here's Hey Hey, just 'cause:

nick_md

Also, do it, learn!

Moot_Geeza

nick_md wrote:

Ah man, fucking love surf stuff. Finally got a reverb gizmo a few months back and was just strumming and plucking Am, Em etc and doing bass rundowns like the start of Pipeline for aaaages. Plus the classic 50s C, Am, F, G is great surfy. A little later but I stumbled over this at the same time and fucking loved it

Love Pipeline. Have you heard Les Claypool's Duo De Twang version? Four Foot Shack is the best thing he's done for years.

Sleepwalk was one of the first things I learned on guitar (had to perform it at an after school show with three other players, along with Rod Stewart's Sailing, in year 7). I think I'd be happy enough to focus on that era with my guitar playing, electric anyway. Finger picking makes my brain freeze, so most of the country stuff I want to learn remains beyond me, but I enjoy working through Apache, Shakin' All Over etc.

I used to own those Teen Beat albums, which were excellent compilations, but I seem to have misplaced vols 1&2. A highlight from 3:

Usless info: used this in my A-Level Media gangster film.

nick_md

Ah man, that's a wicked tune: slick, cool, twangy. The kinda shit you can imagine walking into a downstairs dive bar to, all smokey and that. So many great one or not many hit bands from that era (no idea if these guys fall into that category). I get lost on youtube trails for ages sometimes.

You been playing since school? Dang. Wish I'd started playing so much younger, didn't start til 20, and took a 5 year hiatus to grind music games a while ago, like an idiot.

Anyway, meant to be chatting to the missus atm but had to post in appreciation of that tune. Will get back with some more a little later.

Moot_Geeza

nick_md wrote:

You been playing since school? Dang. Wish I'd started playing so much younger

Nah. Had lessons from the age of 11ish-15, rarely practiced during that time, which culminated in a rabbit-in-headlights Sultans of Swing solo for the performance part of my music GCSE. Barely touched a guitar again until early last year (when I bought two), so almost an 18yr hiatus. Turns out I can bash that first Sultans solo out now though

Moot_Geeza

Stop talking to the missus and put BBC4 on. You've already missed most of the Buddy Holly section.

nick_md

ah ffs... just finished chatting to her now. Will iPlayer that shit, cheers.

adored

Reading this thread at daft o'clock last night made me order a 12 string acoustic.

Fucksake.

nick_md

haha, nice! Lead Belly style! Let me know how you get on with it, always fancied one but then again I fancy loads of instruments and never have enough cash to buy them all. Also trying to focus on more piano at the moment, learning how to read sheet music. Put them 5 years iidx to good use!

Anyway, buying a 12 string has to be as good an excuse as any to post some Lead Belly, love his version of House of the Rising Sun, those runs, constant, foot tappy:

krs

Twelve strings? Pfft, lightweight. The true fires of tuning hell burn in the guitarrón chileno:

Escape

How do you get the cheese out?

Brooks

Those things sound really great.

nick_md

Strings within a course are tuned either in unison or in octaves; tuning between courses is in fourths, except between the second and third courses where the interval is a major third. With the instrument held in playing position, the stringing is: devil, devil, 5-string course, 5-string course, 5- (or sometimes 4-) string course, 3-string course, 3-string course, devil, devil, and the tuning is: [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]F#5 • A4 • D4 D4 D3 D3 D2 • G4 G4 G4 G3 G3 • (C4) C4 C4 C3 C2 • E4 E4 E4 • A4 A4 A4 • G4 • B4[/font]

Ooookay...

(do indeed sound great)

nick_md

Listening to some of that real good delta shit, yeah buddy...

nick_md

Just the one more

nick_md

Been Davy Graham all weekend, loving his eastern-flavour shit atm, gonna tune me up some dad gad and play cross legged tonight I think:

Moot_Geeza

Moot_Geeza wrote:

nick_md wrote:

Ah man, fucking love surf stuff. Finally got a reverb gizmo a few months back and was just strumming and plucking Am, Em etc and doing bass rundowns like the start of Pipeline for aaaages. Plus the classic 50s C, Am, F, G is great surfy. A little later but I stumbled over this at the same time and fucking loved it

Love Pipeline. Have you heard Les Claypool's Duo De Twang version? Four Foot Shack is the best thing he's done for years. Sleepwalk was one of the first things I learned on guitar (had to perform it at an after school show with three other players, along with Rod Stewart's Sailing, in year 7). I think I'd be happy enough to focus on that era with my guitar playing, electric anyway. Finger picking makes my brain freeze, so most of the country stuff I want to learn remains beyond me, but I enjoy working through Apache, Shakin' All Over etc. I used to own those Teen Beat albums, which were excellent compilations, but I seem to have misplaced vols 1&2. A highlight from 3: Usless info: used this in my A-Level Media gangster film.

Following on from this discussion, which did admittedly veer away from acoustic stuff, I now own Teen Beat 1&2 again.

I will post this again though, partly because I love listening to it, and partly because I love watching the close-ups starting at 1min10. The third guy would be me, fending off an on-stage panic attack.

nick_md

Haha! Great clip, am still in the office, let out a little crease at that third guy, got looks.

Why is everyone in that studio chewing gum??

Anyway, to keep it surf just a second here's another random track I found on youtube and added to my list:

Bloody vocals though, what they playing at?

To get back to acoustic stuff, I'm still all over Davy Graham atm, not much of his stuff on youtube it seems, but luckily it's got this jaunty little number:

Really need to level up my guitar playing, seems like I've been in a rut for a while now, although that tends to happen before a breakthrough, I find. Need to work on scales I think, I'm pretty much all chords and finger picking in open fretted chords, no up and down the neck with nice scales and shit.

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