GooberTheHat wrote:

My point is, WiFi isn't the internet. You can have excellent WiFi connection and still have no internet.

Such is the curse of the digitally literate.  I find it best to let go as when I try and explain things I'm called a boring bastard for doing so.

Report comes out. Blames the civil service and less clearly identified 'Downing Street staff'. A few people no one has ever heard of get sacked with the promise of making it up to them later. Johnson criticised for permitting it. His excuse will be along the lines of "if anything I'm too loyal". Cabinet and MPs will come out and say sentences containing phrases similar to 

"the report draws a line under this painful episode"
"fulsome apology"
"time to move on"
"vaccine rollout"
"Brexit"
"domestic agenda"
"great year ahead for Britain"

It won't trick anyone. It's likely it won't work and adds another layer of insult. But if they bundle it up well enough and time it right and can distract people with something else, then maybe people will give up on him resigning or his party doing the right thing. What it won't do, imo, is make people forget about it and 'move on'. It will be remembered. 

I wouldn't say they successfully got rid of the Cummings problem when that happened. But they did manage to carry on after it, almost as if it didn't happen. But that was mid-pandemic when people had other stuff going on. And crucially, Cummings wasn't front and centre of the campaign to try and make people forget about what a lying arsehole he is. Which Johnson will be. 

So if you see the guy doing his "oh so sorry but fuck you not sorry, not resigning" bit then the next day he's bouncing around talking about Peppa Pig again and launching some fresh bullshit project, it's not going to make you forget. It's going to remind you. He shouldn't be in that job. And every day you see him do it is a fresh insult.

I think that there’s no moving on from this for Johnson. He’ll try, he may hang on to his job (I kind of hope he does, TBH), but he’s tainted with this for years to come.

The report strategy would have probably worked if they'd launched it much earlier. I don't think they even properly understand the problem anymore. 

Evidence of a party.
"I'm furious about this party."
Evidence of him at a party
"I was there but it wasn't a party, it was work. "
Evidence of an invitation to a definite party that he went to.
"I attended the party by accident."
Evidence of him knowing of, condoning and often attending frequent, repeated parties and booze ups.
"I'm sorry I knew about, allowed, attended and drank at all these parties. Sorry for being such a great boss that cares about the people around me. But also I've sacked a load of them to save my own skin. Hey look a squirrel."  

His changing statements were all very public and designed to be very clear and led the news every night. And all in the space of about four or five weeks. That's why even your UKIP loving Brexit granny can see what's happened. It's a very obvious series of lies that have been told to the entire country in real time. And it's about something literally everybody in the country went through. And, almost universally, had a negative experience of. In many cases, a life-alteringly, devastatingly bad experience of. I know that's all probably stating the obvious but there's no way of undoing that.

YouGov have done a survey showing that an overwhelming majority of those planning to vote Tory at the next election want Johnson to stay on. Might be just the depressingly large contingent of die-hard Tory scum voting for them at the next election.

I imagine those people who are currently planning on voting Tory at the next election would vote for a sack of spuds in a wig if it wore a blue tie, so that probably won't influence Tory party members.

Self sabotage and reveal more and more parties until the "we're actually more interested in the things people care about like levelling up our economy and just Getting On With It" line is enough to clamp Starmer during PMQs and everyone moves the fuck on. Book it.

I have to laugh because if I don't I'll lose my fucking mind watching these utter cunts.

When I say everyone I mean the opposition and media there.

afgavinstan wrote:

When I say everyone I mean the opposition and media there.

People will remember when they’re voting.

Diluted Dante wrote:

EvilRedEye wrote:

YouGov have done a survey showing that an overwhelming majority of those planning to vote Tory at the next election want Johnson to stay on. Might be just the depressingly large contingent of die-hard Tory scum voting for them at the next election.

Yeah, I think that this reflects how much of the soft support has gone.

I'm sure that would've been a very carefully worded question to ensure they had this result.

Conservative Home poll saying that a majority of Tory Party members think Johnson should resign too.

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2022/01/over-half-our-panel-of-party-members-want-johnson-to-resign-now.html

Its quite the fall from grace innit.
Johnson was extremely popular amongst Tory voters in 2019.

Yeah I'm always wary of call in shows. The callers are real people but the producers are selecting who gets on the show.

Talk radio deliberately tries to annoy it's audience. They will absolutely be picking the most unreasonable people to get people engaged. They are the analogue version of the social media algorithm.

There’s a huge number of people who thought lockdown was stupid and threw their own parties, enjoyed BBQs with friends, and generally ignored the rules. Those people are going to be fine with Government parties at Number 10. Makes the Tories look ‘relatable’.

They will magically disconnect it all from the Gov being the people who actually wrote the sodding rules.