Fair play, and good choice. I first did OoK in NG+++, would not recommend it.

The elevator shortcut is the only way to the Martyr, but you can run past everything.
This was the toughest boss for me - had to desperately call in some co-op

In my new playthrough I've finally met HenryK.

My +3 weapon does toss all damage. Crow woman already dead so it's just me.

edit: cheesed him by keeping him on the other side of a set of headstones. Even that was tricky with the game deciding to break lock on repeatedly.

Martyr is optional, of course, and tougher (IMO) than any of the main path bosses. So might be a good idea to return later when you've levelled up naturally.

That's weird. Pretty sure I didn't need to do that, but I'm playing a women's character. Don't think that would make the difference.

Martyr does feel doable, and apart from getting there seems fun enough to have at least a few more tries. Have to promise myself I'll move on if it's not working out right away, and go back later if needed. I'm trying to do at least all bosses that are possible (not sure how the ending works yet) so the optional ones need to die too.

Although this one is giving me weird Adventure Time Ice King vibes and I can't take it seriously.

I think you're a brave man for going back to him. Or any of the others tbh.

I had another 30-45 minutes with the Martyr yesterday, got him to half health with a really good start, two parry and visceral attacks, but then I got too aggressive. He has so many different attacks. Might try again tonight as I won't have the time to explore and it's the Unseen Village I need to go to. So might just skip him if I can't get him by my next session, some blood chunks for my weapon will definitely help for future tries. Strength is at its soft cap and not adding too much now.

Seems to be a good fight though, I like it.

I may avoid Martyr Logarius entirely until the playthrough where I want to make a bloodtinge build.

New character is going well. Story and optional bosses down, and just fought first dlc boss again. Made a whirligig +9 as it had been mentioned here as good against him. It wasn't bad but I'm not used to it so I ended up going back to Saw Spear that I'd used throughout the game to kill him.

The whirlygig takes a bit of getting used to alright. Transformed back-step to R1 is a good opening salvo/slaps for a crowd, plus the continuous saw-shredding when you hold L2 (iirc, been a while) make it destroyer of both beast and kin.

You can backstab the one on the stairs if you go round the back. The others will join but you might be able to take him out - and he doesn't respawn.

Worst boss in the game next Nina! But the area after that is great.

Upper Cathedral is very atmospheric

I'm now thinking Maria's third phase is a bit cheap. The fire damage that staggers you even if you dodge the attacks, grr. And the constant teleporting out of range on the rare occassions when I get the upper hand.

Also remembered the record video mode so been replaying my fights. Some of the hit boxes are mad e.g. the sweeping attack - you are clearly clear of the attack but you still take damage.

Having said that, Maria is up there with the best bosses to fight.

Yahar but I'm not a fan of the one in Upper either.

The DLC is good. It's tough, and the bosses are a step up from the non dlc.

Rise - just the though of a camera that you can actually control!

Nina wrote:

Huh, my insight went from 35 to 13 somewhere in the Upper Cathedral Ward? Is that a brain sucker thing?

Were you getting head-noshed by those brainsuckers? That would explain this.

A charged Tonitrus turns those fuckers into mincemeat.

I'm playing this playthrough with the saw spear, which has an R2 thrust attack when transformed. It does loads of damage to the blobby enemies. I was shocked when I one shotted the first head sucker. Made the upper Cathedral a lot easier last night when I played through it.

I wouldn't say Yahar is a lot different to Upper although the boss is easier in Yahar.

edit: there is 1 rock in the main story. There are others if you want to go through the chalice dungeons. But you can buy a rock using insight after a later boss. I had two +10 weapons on my 1st playthrough.


So Maria down. I'm not convinced about the final phase - seems too mean to me. But then it's the phase I had least practice. I was trying to not use any buffs for these bosses but resorted to bolt paper for Maria. Killed her when she was backed into a corner and for once didn't teleport away.

Does your sword have a thrusting attack?

One Reborn down first go, at least I got that! Really bad framerate during this fight.

Edit, also made it past the brainsuckers and opened the big door. So that's a relief. Having more health definitely helped.

Lost all my One Reborn insight, so the doll is lifeless again. Wondering what else I'm not seeing now