BAMF! SNIKT! GLORF! The Comics Thread.
  • I've a soft spot to the over muscled 90s look, but certain folk took it too far. Find pictures of Jean-Paul fighting Bane in Knightfall and they both have these wierd clusters of muscles that look like hernias.
  • Kings of it remain Biz and Fabry to me, probably because they really go to town on sinew as well, so they end up being about psychotic energy in a way the Yank mainstreamy stuff never has beyond Miller.
  • I seem to remember Jim Lee's Punisher stuff being very good, Jim Lee before he became JIM LEE, a bit more subdued, a bit less nineties extrrrreme. The Norwegian reprints I read back then were in black and white, a reproduction that really suited his style. Here's a goofy (colour) cover from that run.
  • Just finished the 2nd Eastman & Lairds TMNT hardcover.  Enjoying the trip down memory lane but I didnt know that they they stopped working together(as in same studio) so early on, I knew that shit got to much for them, but didnt realise that the cracks formed 10 issues in.

    Got the latest Sacco hardcover to read next & waiting on the next Walking Dead hardcover, which I believe is October, groan.
  • Based on all the unconditional love for Grant Morrison in this thread, you all might be interested to hear about Happy, the new book he's doing with Darick Robertson at Image. Good interview at CBR. I think this sounds pretty interesting, really:
    I've always wanted to try a crime story. I wanted to do my take on that type of book – the hard-boiled anti-hero and the mafia villains and all that but I never had a strong enough story hook. I was looking for a way to put my own stamp on the genre and it finally clicked with "HAPPY!"


    I was ambushed by this track by The Hollies, the '60s band, and it was like the most saccharine, sweetie pie music you can imagine – "Pegasus The Flying Horse." I like quite a few songs from the band’s psychedelic mid-period but this is just a hideous piece of twee. It even has this neighing sound as the last few bars play out! i]Laughter[/i It's so sugary and weird and although it‘s probably about LSD, the lyrics of the middle 8 section bring a weird "pervy uncle" presence to the whole sordid affair. You can look it up on YouTube if you want because I just can't do it justice.
    But I was listening to this music and thought, "Imagine the most cynical, fucked up man in the world having to deal with this - with a sickeningly upbeat little cartoon character - each trapped with the other." What would it be like if the Bad Lieutenant teamed up with Pegasus the Flying Horse? By this time, I knew the Happy the Horse would be tiny. And it struck me that I could throw “Christmas story” in with this as well. I've always wanted to have a go at a classic Christmas story like "It's A Wonderful Life" or “A Christmas Carol“ but with characters drawn from the shock headlines of the 21st Century. So this idea seemed to lend itself to that and it gave me a chance to do the kind of wider, symbolic pop cult critique that I like. It just grew from there. Adam Mortimer who’s directing "Sinatoro" is good friends with Darick Robertson and put us in touch. I've met Darick in the past, but we’ve never worked together. I found out that he was free, he loved the idea, we pitched it to Image and now we’re half way through a four-issue series which starts in September. It all came very naturally out of this weird combination of ideas.
  • Welcome to the forum Kollarn.

    Happy! sounds right up my street.

    I've just finished 'The Return of Bruce Wayne', which was just as imaginative, bonkers and fun as I expected it to be. Marvellous artwork and a cracking sci-fi conceit that takes in cavemen, Salem witch hunts, the wild west, pirates and the heat death of the universe.
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    Welcome to the forum Kollarn. Happy! sounds right up my street.

    Thanks!
    Became a bit more skeptic when I read the sample pages in that interview. Hope the black bars where CBR's doing, because the dialogue definitely didn't read well censored like that. I've seen people pull off all sorts of zany ways of self-censure (the brilliant Nextwave being a good example), but for some reason, that there didn't work at all.
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    Gave up on Spawn a while back. Started reading the new-ish reboot of Deadpool. S'alright.

    Dude in comic shop recommended Prophet to me - anyone read this? Got issue 26, it's pretty good.
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    Thanks to what used to be my local shop in the UK, I finally have a complete set of the New 52 run of Swamp Thing.

    Still missing a couple of issues of Venom, though, due to my local store in NZ being next to useless. Anyone know of a good place to get back issues? I've been thinking about just getting the digital versions, but that feels like cheating.
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  • Blue Swirl wrote:
    I've been thinking about just getting the digital versions, but that feels like cheating.

    I don't have any kind of comic shop locally, so I've been resorting to digital versions to keep up to date with Swamp Thing and Animal Man (now totally and officially cross overs, having hinted at it since day one.)  Whilst they work well on the iPad, I do kind of miss having them in paper format - my wife on the other hand is grateful for the increased shelf space...
  • Blue Swirl wrote:
    Thanks to what used to be my local shop in the UK, I finally have a complete set of the New 52 run of Swamp Thing. Still missing a couple of issues of Venom, though, due to my local store in NZ being next to useless. Anyone know of a good place to get back issues? I've been thinking about just getting the digital versions, but that feels like cheating.

    Ebay?

    What issues are you missing anyway?
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    I do all my back issues on EBay.
  • I use mycomicsshop.com for back issues. The postage to Norway isn't too steep (in my experience, that should mean even less steep UK postage - no idea about NZ though), and if you're not too fussy about the copies being mint, you can make pretty good deals on slightly dinged ones.

    I stopped buying single issues a couple of years back for the most part, except for the ones that have extra value added that's not reprinted in the collections (the splendid Criminal and Casanova are prime examples of this).
  • Read the first two Walking Dead books now and I really wasn't prepared for how incredibly bleak and grim it is. I love it.
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  • About to start the first one.
  • Beware dante, super grim stuff awaits. Just finished house of m. Was alright but not mind blowing.
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  • I've been reading World War Z, so that might prepare me somewhat.

    Been reading some of the Marvel ultimate collection stuff. Currently going through Dark Pheonix Saga, but also taken in Winter Soldier, Birth of Venom and some others. The thing that struck me is just how difficult some of this older stuff is to read. In some cases the art is a bit hard to cope with, but my god, the text boxes and the thought bubbles!

    Stumbled across this news story: Mother: Teen Checks Out "Sexually Graphic" Comic Book At Greenville Library
  • Parents not checking up one what their kids are reading. SMART STUFF PARENTS.
  • If anyone has access to the Comix app on ios, they have the Black edition of Amazing Spiderman for free.
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  • The Walking Dead - not as bad as I was expecting. Does it get much darker in book 2?

    Overall, I think I prefer the TV show. There is more time spent on characterisation, which you can't really afford in a comic. I like that it's not a straight rip of the comic, instead taking large elements of it and doing it in a different way. It's somewhat similar to Red Dwarf, except it was on paper that we delved deeper there.

    Regardless, if you've seen the TV show or not, I say go out and get The Walking Dead. Very enjoyable.
  • Walking Dead is similar to Red Dwarf?
    Please elaborate
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  • There is more time spent on characterisation, which you can't really afford in a comic.

    This struck me as a controversial standpoint, both in general and specifically in this case. If there's one thing TWD is not lacking, it's scenes with characters talking, explaining their motivations, relating their backstories, etc. The common complaint against the book is that there's too much of that stuff, and not enough action: too much telling, too little showing (perhaps that's exactly what you meant, in that case, I'll just go quietly hang my head in shame over here)
  • I found the second book to be much, much darker. There were some truely horrid moments.

    What I love about the Walking Dead series is that it feels like every different version of it is independent, but they are all in the same universe. The books, TV show and game are all unique but share commonalities.

    It reminds me of Hellboy. Mike Mignola aimed to have every different version of Hellboy to be different in all the mediums he is in and to not necessarily be linked.
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  • Sasukekun wrote:
    Walking Dead is similar to Red Dwarf? Please elaborate
    SOmeone else already did:
    What I love about the Walking Dead series is that it feels like every different version of it is independent, but they are all in the same universe. The books, TV show and game are all unique but share commonalities
    kollarn wrote:
    There is more time spent on characterisation, which you can't really afford in a comic.
    This struck me as a controversial standpoint, both in general and specifically in this case. If there's one thing TWD is not lacking, it's scenes with characters talking, explaining their motivations, relating their backstories, etc. The common complaint against the book is that there's too much of that stuff, and not enough action: too much telling, too little showing (perhaps that's exactly what you meant, in that case, I'll just go quietly hang my head in shame over here)

    Too much? Fair enough, but I don't see it. The impression I'm left with at the end of book one is that I don't really know anyone but Rick. For me, Shane is far, far too empty. He's the guys best friend for fucks sake, but you don't really know much about him. The people on the farm are way too one dimensional as well. Hershel in particular is a completely different character, despite having pretty much the same motivations and the same story. Even when he was being a twat you could understand him. In the comic, he's just a twat.

    I think there is definitely a case for the series showing more, there are certainly a lot of helpful dead air flashbacks that would be shit in the comic but I don't think it's just that.
  • Think your right dante. You do get sense towards the end of the second book that they've made their point and flogging a zombie horse a bit. A fresh direction/point is needed to keep things fresh.
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  • Interesting points of view. I read these as they were coming out in single issues, and got a different sense of the progression. You're definitely right about the flat nature of some of the characters, Dante; Kirkman might have weighted things too heavily against the characters needing no other (or more nuanced) motivations than survival (at least in the beginning).

    I stopped reading after eighty issues or so, mostly because the relentless bleakness of it all became wearying. I think they vary the plots, action and settings well enough as the series goes on, but the book takes on the nature of a nihilistic staring contest after a while. I don't have to like the characters I read about, but at a certain point they've done so many terrible things and had so many terrible things happen to them, they start looking less like characters and more like guinea pigs for cruelty.
  • Isn't that partly the appeal? It's the reason we watch horror movies, there is an adrenaline rush from watching/reading these cruel events/moments because they are happening to fictional characters. The moments that have stood out have been the truely horrendous moments (one from book 2 and series 2):
    Spoiler:

    I am limiting myself to one book per pay check in order to spread the reading time and costing.

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  • Isn't that partly the appeal? It's the reason we watch horror movies, there is an adrenaline rush from watching/reading these cruel events/moments because they are happening to fictional characters.

    I don't know. Generally when it comes to horror, I'm more partial to the liminal effect, where the work conjures up a feeling of something horrible beyond human ken, like the diner scene in Mulholland Dr. (or similar moments in other David Lynch work), or Lovecraft, or Silent Hill. The adrenaline rush effect you describe works for better me (if it works at all) in streamlined splatter or torture porn horror flicks, not a long form work like TWD. In relentlessly working this one effect over and over, Kirkman sets himself up for diminishing returns. That said, it did work for me for a good while, right up until the point where it didn't.

    Charlie Adlard never stopped being amazing, though.
  • Sasukekun wrote:
    Walking Dead is similar to Red Dwarf? Please elaborate
    SOmeone else already did:
    What I love about the Walking Dead series is that it feels like every different version of it is independent, but they are all in the same universe. The books, TV show and game are all unique but share commonalities

    Ahhh, I get ya.
    I actually dislike the Red Dwarf books for this very reason. I've read them all, and like them for the most part, but find the recycling of elements to grate rather too much.
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