I didn’t realise I was glossing over the royal stuff, I was engaging with Davy in a different topic entirely.

It'll be alt-right on the night.

Paul the sparky wrote:

It'll be alt-right on the night.

That's it, thread peaked.

mistercrayon wrote:

I feel like it’s basically an unwinnable trap at this point in the situation of making a mistake? In which case the trick is always to never make a mistake or do anything which could be construed as a mistake?!

I don’t think it’s a trap and I don’t think it’s unwinnable, I think it’s an unfortunate situation that he got himself into and one that he didn’t help himself once he was in.

Moot_Geeza wrote:

He was probably in a bit of a flap when he made initial apologies/responses. I took it that he meant his mind isn't diseased (regarding any intent), and then the barell thing was just shots fired on the way down, which is probably more of a natural thing to do than totally nailing an apology for something this sensitive at the first pass.

This all may well be true, there may have been no intentional offence at any stage in this, he might just have not been thinking things through and so fucked up and kept fucking up, and the truth is that people do lose their jobs over fuckups, and while I’m not arguing that he should have lost his job, I just don’t think that the situation is quite as clear cut as him making an honest mistake and then being hounded out of his job because of it. He fell into a hole and kept digging.

dynamiteReady wrote:

LivDiv wrote:

Yeah, but can the Queen uppercut her head off now?

She'd make a great Mortal Kombat character. Like Goro. Only she's older, has more arms, and they're all in our pockets...

Hahaha

Getting fired as punishment has issues, however, if we're talking glossing over, one of the reasons folks are ambivalent (myself included) about celebs being fired is the loooooong history of them getting away with any old shit, and not only not getting fired, but continuing with massive pay days and no sanctions at all.

See Eddie Maguire out here.

President of massive football club, ubiquitous TV personality. Host of a show where his off sider makes clarkson look like contra points.

Suggests Adam Goodes would be great as promo guy for King Kong.

The week after a fan of his club called Goodes a monkey and goodes had to point her out and had her removed.

Big apologies from all. So sincere.

Goodes, of course, is aboriginal. He's an absolute champion of the game. And was all but forced to retire because of copping it from fans AFTER that incident.

Maguire has gone on to say dumb shit about disabled folk and some other howlers.

Meanwhile, monkey comments, blackface Nd other such fuckery continue.

In tandem with massive racist structure.

Won't someone think of the boomer age white blokes and their oblivious comments!

Ffs.

I think Yoss is reading a different story to the one I’m reading. The one I’m reading, as soon as Baker has his error pointed out he corrected it and apologised. You don’t handle it much better than that. That’s literally exactly what people say is the best way to handle an error.

As for the bald-headed-cancer-cunt analogy, I’m unclear if that’s meant to be a story where you’re close enough to the bald cunt to make cancer jokes or not, but applying a blanket ‘common sense’ approach of dismissal is lunacy. It depends on the relationship between the commenter and the audience. In some relationships, a lack of ‘good riddance’ would be almost hurtful.

I think you’ve read that wrong.

It's not really open to interpretation. It's quite clear what he meant.

Yossarian wrote:

Frankly it doesn’t matter, if it’s open to interpretation, you’ve fucked up the apology.

Well, I take it all back. A man definitely deserves to lose his job over this.

Andy wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Frankly it doesn’t matter, if it’s open to interpretation, you’ve fucked up the apology.

Well, I take it all back. A man definitely deserves to lose his job over this.

I’ve said repeatedly that I’m not saying he deserved to lose his job, I just don’t think that the situation is as clear cut as some are suggesting. It wasn’t one mistake which was immediately rectified, it was several which all contributed to the situation.

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Yossarian wrote:

Baker’s initial apology was poor and could certainly be taken as suggesting that seeing racism in his joke was the product of a diseased mind. His second apology dismissed the situation as being his turn in the barrel rather than reflecting on his own actions and how that might seem to others. He then went on to start joking about the situation.

I think I’d feel less sympathy for Baker had he not been documented as being pretty poor after his cancer and chemo. A guy has lost his main source of income, late in his working life and shortly after a life threatening illness and, though I can’t understand how he got to a point of posting such a pic, I still feel for him.

Not wanting to interrupt your arguments though so carry on in circles.

Edit: he also has a clear history of being a pretty decent and defo not racist guy so...

No, the severity of the initial post.

And I’m not working hard at any of this. I’m reading his words and considering how they could be interpreted. It’s not hard at all.

You think there would be no one objecting to this is we just swap out Danny Baker for Russell Howard?

Are you high?