regmcfly wrote:

It's incredible that Black Panther is seen as pushing the Black agenda whilst we had nowhere near this activity during the release of Wonder Woman.


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Who has said it's pushing an agenda? I think some people are maybe making it to be more of a cultural moment than it is and are being far too defensive because of this and I would make the same claim to wonder woman. But I don't think the film maker or the studio had a straight out black persons agenda. If that's the impression I've given than I've framed my issue badly.

regmcfly wrote:

It's incredible that Black Panther is seen as pushing the Black agenda whilst we had nowhere near this activity during the release of Wonder Woman.


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Not sure what you’re getting at. There’s been loads of big budget action films starring women.

From what I've seen from black celebs I follow on instagram and twitter there has been nothing but happiness to have such a black orientated film. Black leads, black supporting cast, no jokes about anything to do with being black or Africa or the way the characters are dressed, talking or whatever.

I don't think I've seen anything along the lines of exploitation or doing it just for money or whatever else... This is the first I've seen such a conversation online to be honest.

I really don’t think anyone disagrees with any of that?

It almost strikes me like people are shouting at this because it's a well thought through movie by the studio that is for a black audiences that is profitable and they're going ITS THAT .

I think there are still interesting discussion points around Black Panther.
What happens next? Is a solid question, hopefully we will see more films like it but we could just as easily see lesser quality films using the naive conclusion that making a film with a black cast equates directly to dollar.

Is there now a temptation for Disney and their peers to make a Hispanic or East Asian superhero film? Will that actually be good? Im unaware of any Marvel characters that fit the bill but Im sure they exist.

We all know how Hollywood can be, success is often followed by imitators and not always (in fact I would say rarely) of the same standards.

Disney would stab you for the coins in your pocket.

RedDave2 wrote:

...I dont have an issue with the 'white washing' thing if the main part of your audience is white. I wouldnt expect the chinese movie industry to feature westerns if they adapted a western story. I woudlnt expect bollywood to not play to their main audience. And I wouldnt expect a story about wakanda to feature a diverse multi ethnic culture either.

Adapting a story to be set somewhere else is one thing. The Departed is not a whitewash. But changing a character to be white is odd, and wrong. It’s closely linked to weird shit like Keanu Reeves playing a Japanese man amongst actual Japanese men playing Japanese men (47 Ronin) or the closely related phenomenon in a raft of films where, in a sea of (pick a non-white ethnicity) you need a white man to save the day (a recent example would be Matt Damon in The Wall or whatever it’s called). If you are putting someone of a certain ethnicity in a film to appease / court a certain ethnic audience, you are helping cement the idea that a film must feature a certain ethnicity to appeal to that audience.

Now, that’s a different thing from the idea general representation needs to change, but I think they are linked. When it is no longer worthy of discussion that a blockbuster film from one of the top franchises worldwide features an (almost) all-black cast, because it’s happening as often as it should, then we’ll probably have also reached the point that movie execs don’t feel they have to pull race-changing bullshit to pull in the arsehole dollar.

regmcfly wrote:

It's incredible that Black Panther is seen as pushing the Black agenda whilst we had nowhere near this activity during the release of Wonder Woman. MAKE U THINK

Forum activity, or public discourse? Because I remember plenty of discussion about the representation of women at the time of the WW release.

I'm glad it took off?

regmcfly wrote:

us white people all have opinions on it

I don't. I just have an opinion on Disney.

Escape wrote:

regmcfly wrote:

us white people all have opinions on it

I don't. I just have an opinion on Disney.

It's interesting that it only comes out now
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That's unfair as shit. I'm sorry. You've made your views about the house of mouse known many times. I'll keep my op but please take my apologies and know I'm in the wrong here

Make it a bit clearer then as that's how I read it. It read as if we can't have opinions on it because we didn't have an equal amount on a previous, female led film.

I don't know why I jumped in tbh because I give zero shits about BP nor the cultural impact so feel free to ignore me.

Dark Soldier wrote:

I don't know why I jumped in tbh because I give zero shits about BP nor the cultural impact so feel free to ignore me.

Then I mean alanshrug

I don’t think anyone disagrees with most of the cynicism, everyone knows that Disney is only doing this for the money, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a positive thing too.