Yeah, it's not worth it. I got through that by doing as much of the other areas as I could up to that point and upgrading as much as possible. I don't know how much you've explored, but there is quite a lot you can do before you actually have to do that fight.

Even then though, other bosses are just as bad. It's incredibly tedious. I beat the last boss in the end by watching a detailed guide first.

JonB wrote:

Yeah, it's not worth it. I got through that by doing as much of the other areas as I could up to that point and upgrading as much as possible. I don't know how much you've explored, but there is quite a lot you can do before you actually have to do that fight.

Even then though, other bosses are just as bad. It's incredibly tedious. I beat the last boss in the end by watching a detailed guide first.

I'm surprised at this because I've watched you kick the arse of countless souls bosses, so hearing you say this reinforces my decision really. The videos I watched all seem to talk about spending hours grinding to upgrade to some final skill where you can cheese him. That seems to go against every thing From were going for, which was hard but extremely fair in terms of challenge.

The beauty of Elden Ring will be the ability to just fuck off somewhere else...

In the Elden Ring demo thing last year there was one tough bastard to fight, only one health bar but two phases, that took me ages to beat. But then tons of other stuff you could do instead, including a lot of minor bosses that were much simpler.

Plus there's summoning, of course, so I'm much less concerned about it.

I think the difficulty in Sekiro was increased versus Dark Souls because there was very little you could do to increase your characters power to overcome the bosses. They had to be beaten as From intended, which was at quite a demanding difficulty level.

It's a shame because if the combat doesn't click, you don't get to see the rest of the game.

I can't fucking wait.

Hoping for an early delivery from The Game Collection

JonB wrote:

Rev wrote:

I'm surprised at this because I've watched you kick the arse of countless souls bosses, so hearing you say this reinforces my decision really. The videos I watched all seem to talk about spending hours grinding to upgrade to some final skill where you can cheese him. That seems to go against every thing From were going for, which was hard but extremely fair in terms of challenge.

Like you, I can't stand bosses that go on too long and make you repeat earlier parts. Bloodborne was still on the right side of the line, but Sekiro and some of Dark Souls 3 pushed it too far.

I think what is maybe grinding my gears is that the videos I have seen which talked about beating him were like 'Yeah, if you make sure you have Mikiri, (okay) Rising Carp (okay) plus these two other skills which mean you'll probably need to do some grinding in order to get to the point where you'll have a base advantage and you'll be regaining posture faster. Trouble is, this has become a vendetta, and it's me or him. If I need to go on some kind of Mihati estate grinding fest then I guess that is my path I'm going. love/hate hate this.

https://twitter.com/Revatar/status/1494690982541078528?t=hYavpoI-6aLRb3Tb5Ai-IA

Yeah. I shall remain dubious until proved otherwise at the moment.

We should do a favourite bosses list.  Cos we love lists on this forum, right?!

Syph79 wrote:

I did wonder if I could hear the storm outside, or whether it was Rev's heart beating out of his chest at the end of that battle.

Congratulations. Now the real Dark Souls Sekiro starts here.

I screamed when I got him. Delighted it was through the parry as well

Lady butterfly is optional? What a cont.

Well done Rev. I'm bet you're exhausted.

That Seven Spears guy is a total prick. Spamming unstoppable attacks, I ended up setting him on fire and then Mikiri countering him a couple of times, avoiding the follow up, before I got bored and just started jumping on his head to kill his posture. But what a shitty mid boss.