I've got a 'Bungie' avatar and I'm trying to play nice!! How dare you throw me in with those scoundrels!!

Yossarian wrote:

You see Mod, it's this sort of stuff which gets you accused of trolling.

No. Go and fuck yourself.

What gets me accused of being a "troll" is saying anything even remotely critical of Halo/Bungie. Happened for years. How dare anyone prick your bubble. You fucking sadster fanboys.

You can go fuck yourself as well. I've had just about enough of you dogging me round too.

How do I dog you around? As far as I can remember we have only really clashed once, in the F1 thread.

Fuck iron sights.

Activision are almost certainly not shitting themselves, they know exactly what they are doing here, the decision to design the characters we've seen so far is absolutely deliberate and you can bet that Activision has had very strong input there.

That is game development folks, that is the relationship between studio and publisher.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bungie fan-boyism.

I am seriously fucking tired of that dead horse being brought out and beaten on this forum.

Has anyone been swooning and gushing over the small amount of concept art and rough gameplay that has been shown so far?

Not really no.  There has been a range of reactions from fairly non-plussed to curious to rather liking it.  As yet none of it has elicited any total freakout gushing.

So calm down, stop doom-mongering and being a troll.

Bunige have updated their site with some little bits.

It's going to be one hell of a E3 this year.

i think it looks much better than halo!
i like iron sights too.

you can bet that Activision has had very strong input there.

Really? I hope not. Can't see Bungie (who clearly value their independence a lot) allowing Activision too much say in creative.

Iron sights are terrible by the way. You can tell almost nothing from concept art but it is fairly underwhelming.

Just different really. Slows the game down quite a bit, another button to press, I don't like 'em but don't begrudge those that do.

Jump button is vital.

I will not buy this game if you cannot jump.

daviedigi wrote:

so everyone just wants to hip fire? or do they want acog, red dot, 12x scopes and the like? iv always preffered irons over the majority on most games/guns. only firing from the hip sounds silly to me. if it forces you to stand still while you ads then you have a point on slowing the game down, but thats not normally the case, and a lot would depend on kill times too. (how long it takes to kill someone in your sight). id rather a button for ads rather than something not really need'd like a cover button or a jump button.

You lower the aiming skill of the game significantly if every gun needs to be aimed down the sights. Sniper riflles and variations thereof obviously need it (this balances the gun as you move slower while aiming) but apart from that I prefer non iron sight aiming.

This is all mostly personal preference and I guess there are advantages to aiming down the sights (feel free to tell me what they are) but for me combat is more much more fluid and fun when you don't need to make your character move through treacle whenever you start shooting.

You're absolutely right about kill times, Halo length kill times with iron sights simply would not work. However, I really hope Bungie's next game isn't an exercise in 'who sees who first' positional gameplay so I'm rooting for H1 type kill times.

Knight wrote:

daviedigi wrote:

so everyone just wants to hip fire? or do they want acog, red dot, 12x scopes and the like? iv always preffered irons over the majority on most games/guns. only firing from the hip sounds silly to me. if it forces you to stand still while you ads then you have a point on slowing the game down, but thats not normally the case, and a lot would depend on kill times too. (how long it takes to kill someone in your sight). id rather a button for ads rather than something not really need'd like a cover button or a jump button.

You lower the aiming skill of the game significantly if every gun needs to be aimed down the sights. Sniper riflles and variations thereof obviously need it (this balances the gun as you move slower while aiming) but apart from that I prefer non iron sight aiming.

This is all mostly personal preference and I guess there are advantages to aiming down the sights (feel free to tell me what they are) but for me combat is more much more fluid and fun when you don't need to make your character move through treacle whenever you start shooting.

You're absolutely right about kill times, Halo length kill times with iron sights simply would not work. However, I really hope Bungie's next game isn't an exercise in 'who sees who first' positional gameplay so I'm rooting for H1 type kill times.

I'm not sure how ads lowers the skill rate (please explain).

Ads for me is especially usefull for mid to long range kills (battlefield and cod would be my examples though cod less so) in battle.

I also don't see how it would slow the game down unless it forces you to stop completely and so long as you can still strafe during ads and kill times aren't too long then inclusion of ads shouldn't matter to much.
(And defintly preferable to me)

Zoom'd in won't be so bad but I'd rather have the realistic touch (I know its sci-fi) were your using the sights of whatever it is your firing.
Could just be me though and I accept that as I were never the biggest halo fan.

Moto70 wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

I could see a perfectly decent game being put together with no jump button.

So can I, back in my CoD playing days I used to bang on about it not being needed. Gears of War and whatnot don't seem to suffer from not being able to pogo your way across a map.

omg ur playing games wrong.

I guessed it was Aiming Down Sights, although I suppose Davie could have just been spelling AIDS wrong, but based on the context, I'm at least 90% sure it's the former.