Mod74 wrote:

Right, so because I think what has been shown is uninteresting and not "fantastic", "amazing", "lovely", "awesome" and all the other synonyms thrown at it I'm a doom monger?

Mod74 wrote:

You fucking sadster fanboys.

Shyam, how comes you're so much better at posting on a forum about video games than playing video games?

@Knight

Well you know it's like this, I belie...just SHUT UP!11!! ;P

Halo 3 >>> Halo 4.

@Yoss

After the Halo meet-up, I did well in my exam. What does that mean? Can we haz Halo-Meet V. 02 soon? Kthxbai

@Tiger

I see you.

@Thread

I generally dislike iron-sights, so it'll be interesting to see how this plays.


Also, some real talk: Real Men of Genius Pogo across the map. It helps to develop the upper-advanced teabag technique that I (used to) prwn Knight with. Trufax!

Moto70 wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

I could see a perfectly decent game being put together with no jump button.

So can I, back in my CoD playing days I used to bang on about it not being needed. Gears of War and whatnot don't seem to suffer from not being able to pogo your way across a map.

I always lol when people say Gears of War with regards to jumping. The circle strafe-shotty-rolling battles and tactics are basically part of the same sort of game style as "bunny Hopping." is it any more ridiculous to have your av jumping all over the place or rolling all over the place?

Knight wrote:

You lower the aiming skill of the game significantly if every gun needs to be aimed down the sights. Sniper riflles and variations thereof obviously need it (this balances the gun as you move slower while aiming) but apart from that I prefer non iron sight aiming. This is all mostly personal preference and I guess there are advantages to aiming down the sights (feel free to tell me what they are) but for me combat is more much more fluid and fun when you don't need to make your character move through treacle whenever you start shooting. You're absolutely right about kill times, Halo length kill times with iron sights simply would not work. However, I really hope Bungie's next game isn't an exercise in 'who sees who first' positional gameplay so I'm rooting for H1 type kill times.

I don't know how you lower the skill level?

If you have non-aimed and aimed shooting then every encounter is a decision between speed and accuracy. That's a judgement skill the player needs to utilise.

If anything, having one aim type leans more towards "who sees first".

Mod74 wrote:

I don't know how you lower the skill level? If you have non-aimed and aimed shooting then every encounter is a decision between speed and accuracy. That's a judgement skill the player needs to utilise. If anything, having one aim type leans more towards "who sees first".

Generally speaking ads makes aiming easier, hence it lowers the skill level (perhaps skill ceiling would be a better phrase). This is the upside to having your field of view and speed nerfed, it's easier to hit people. Once you make it really easy to aim and shoot you turn a game into 'who sees who first' because the first person to see the other guy isn't going to miss and will win the fight. The decision making process of ads or hip fire and reaction times are the 2 ways in which you can differentiate yourself with this mechanic but the decision making process is fairly simple once you've played the game a decent amount and a game based purely on reaction times isn't very fun, especially for most of us lot who's reaction times are only going one way these days! 

Locking people in place when shooting also has the side effect of removing dodging and strafing as I_R says. Although this was probably already dead and buried with an ADS game anyway because ads makes aiming easy enough that no amount of dodging/strafing/jumping/rolling is going to do much good.

I don't really understand why ads has become the default (unless it's to make it easier for the player) because Counter Strike style aiming is way more interesting. There's the realism angle I guess but realism at the expense of good mechanics is never really a good idea.

I don't agree that ADS makes for a slower game. Did none of you play COD4 in that Russian warehouse?

I suppose it is personal preference, and not a question of one being more skilled than the other, that's just bollox.


If they do make those big changes* then fair play to them if that's what they want to do. You'd want them to make them for the right reasons though and not because Activision drove a truck load of money to the offices and knows COD is at the fag end of its life and they need a new annual to replace it that will appeal to COD players.

*I say changes, it's a completely new game so there's nothing to change from.

Sorry mate, but you aren't going to convince me one FPS is more skilful than another. Different skills definitely, but not more. That's just rampant egotism.

I will attend and HALO 3 IS THE BEST MOST SKILL BASED FPS THIS GEN YES!

im with mod on this, halo isn't that fast paced in comparison to cod 4 or the rest of the series.
id say ads adds more than it takes away, if your pulling headshots from hip fire seems more like luck than anything else.
and dosn't halo slow the pace slightly when zoom'd in?

Bollockoff wrote:

I'm sure CoD in similar match types has much higher kills per minute than Halo.

That's because of hits to kill and respawn speeds as much as anything else.

ADS generally slows the game down. COD is just blisteringly fast in every other respect.

I'm confused slightly, this isn't flaming but am I hearing people saying that Halo and CoD are vastly different games?

daviedigi wrote:

im with mod on this, halo isn't that fast paced in comparison to cod 4 or the rest of the series. id say ads adds more than it takes away, if your pulling headshots from hip fire seems more like luck than anything else. and dosn't halo slow the pace slightly when zoom'd in?

As Tiger says about headshots, they never feel like luck to me.

As for kill speeds, for the most part, they are generally much slower in Halo due to the shields, but if you take those out of the equation (playing SWAT, for instance), you can drop people in a heartbeat.

Hah!

I'm not sure whether movement speed is slowed down in Halo when you're zoomed in, or whether it just seems slower.

Either way, using sights on Halo is more of a way to extend a gun's effective range than anything else. I don't zoom if someone's close to me.