No I got your meal and I'm porking it something proper with this side of beef.

After I'm through supplementing your meat.

ChattinWithChet wrote:

Tropicana do a very nice range of mixed juices. Their Ruby Breakfast is delicious, as is the red grape juice. Grapes are underrated in their non-alcoholic form.

I think fruit juice maybe used as a substitute for now, I can even go for the mad expensicve stuff and its still cheaper than beer

One or two beers with dinner/chilling after work is fine.

I was referring to the quantity of booze I was consuming on a daily basis - should have made that clearer though

jesus

Jesus. She might think the baby is fine, but fucking hell – half a bottle of gin a day? I'm far from an expert, but that sounds like a prime candidate for Foetal Alcohol Syndrome. 

Stupid, idiotic woman. And blaming it on the 'cravings' sounds to me like a ridiculous fucking excuse for borderline alcoholism.

I am thinking similar things Coop.  I'm Hangin' With Mr Cooper....s Green.

I suppose it's like having a 70MPH limit on the motorway. They know people safely drink more than 21 units but if they set it at the unsafe limit people wouldn't stop and think till they were way over it.

Coopers Green wrote:

Jesus. She might think the baby is fine, but fucking hell – half a bottle of gin a day? I'm far from an expert, but that sounds like a prime candidate for Foetal Alcohol Syndrome.  Stupid, idiotic woman. And blaming it on the 'cravings' sounds to me like a ridiculous fucking excuse for borderline alcoholism.

Possibly, though she wasn't a gin drinker beforehand. Anyway, I'm not condoning or judging her, I'm just telling you what happened.

She's an idiot. Her kid probably is too.

Drinking copious amounts of booze every day is bad for you, simple as that. Just like eating junk food for lunch and dinner every day of the week is bad for you.

It's all about moderation. I drank like a fish for years. It caused me long term depression, weight gain, effected my fertility, dented our bank account and turned me into a selfish, unreasonable arsehole.

There's nothing good about drinking a lot every day, put it that way. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

We're probably responsible for most of your better qualities Cocky.

Space wrote:

@ chump It does harm because it's untrue. There's plenty of octogenarian wine makers in France and Italy who'd laugh at the idea of a set amount units. I know because I've met some. They tend to drink a couple of bottles a day but they eat well and are frightening fit for their age. A general rule that specific about units is misinformation and should be treated with the contempt it deserves.  It would be far better to tell people that if they suspect alcohol is having a negative impact on their lives it probably is, and should therefore cut down.  Tell people they shouldn't be drinking more than 21 units a week and they'll say "Why? Where did go get that figure from? Are you actually talking bollocks? Maybe I'll ignore the other stuff you're telling me. Does concentrated apple juice really make up one of my five a day? Why five? In Poland and France it's nine." etc etc.

So, guidelines do harm because people are told the guidelines and become suspicious about it, then untrustful of other guidelines ... and then what? At what point does the harm occur?

Is it when they start ignoring the guidelines or deliberately doing the opposite of the guideline suggestions due to this suggestion, and then harm occurs to them? If harm occurs then though, surely this would mean the guideline was a useful one that was preventing harm?

Bear in mind, I'm not saying there should be guidelines for everything and full-on nanny-state; just that if there's binge-drinking and other health problems in this country (e.g. obesity, alcohol, teenage pregnancies, STDs etc.), then saying guidelines for those important things do "more harm than good" is really quite a leap of logic.

They're not even rules like the smoking ban - just guidelines and suggestions. It seems bizarre to me to argue that, if there were absolutely no government guidelines on topics like alcohol, fitness, diet, smoking, safe sex etc. that OVERALL LESS harm would occur.  

Skerret wrote:

Plan M wrote:

Drinking copious amounts of booze every day is bad for you, simple as that. Just like eating junk food for lunch and dinner every day of the week is bad for you. It's all about moderation. I drank like a fish for years. It caused me long term depression, weight gain, effected my fertility, dented our bank account and turned me into a selfish, unreasonable arsehole. There's nothing good about drinking a lot every day, put it that way. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

How do you explain everything that came after that then?

What do you mean?

I drink more because the government has lied to me with their baseless 'guidelines'