Finished Season 2 of Discovery last night. Overall a decent season. Really liked Pike and the crew felt that bit more like a crew than season 1. Last few episodes dragged a bit and they solved Time Travel nearly as easily as Iron Man did in endgame which took away from things but I did think as a whole it worked.

That last episode though... I get they wanted spectacle but the first half of it was just 


I was sorry to see Pike go, I'd actually have liked to follow this version of his enterprise. 

It felt like a good way to retcon the discovery out of proper Trek History (all things considered) but not sure I need to see a season three. This tied things up as well as could be expected. And yet, I'll give it a go. There's enough here to like. 

One thing about discovery being so 'Arc' based, I think it stops it from having stand out episodes. Might just be most of my watching of TNG/ TOS and DS9 came at a time when I could really watch TV, but I feel I could even name a few stand out Voyager episodes but nothing from Discovery feels like 'a moment'

superflyninja wrote:

The theme is diversity and reacting with SUPER emotions at every minor thing.

this.
I was watching this weeks and thinking at least this weird boy is only around for one episode.
Sigh....
I don't mind the swearing, I don't have an issue with the gays or the non gender binary people, but I would like it not to be about these things.
I want it to be about space shit, not real world problems. It's pulp scifi, it's escapism.
This weeks was one of the most traditional trek episodes they've done so far I think.

poprock wrote:

I thought the opposite – they tried to create too many ‘moments’, which led to none standing out. I think it’s a common curse for modern sci-fi series. Striving for every adventure to have epic reach, which just leads to fatigue. nothing stands out as important when everything is such high-stakes.

We're probably saying the same thing - I really meant that I can think of specific episodes of star trek that were just really good telly. Not because they were epic (some were, some weren't) but they were simply very good telly that entertained and in best cases made you think beyond the show. Discovery (possibly for the reason you describe) never seems to get that. The closest I could think was the one where Saru had his trip back to his home world - but even that got swept up in the overall arc and was kinda shit on when his sister just turns up at the end. The Kelpien are really very fast learners.

b0r1s wrote:

But Trek has always highlighted issues of the time. It has always been about these “things”. The issue I have is it isn’t necessarily done very well. It comes back to time to develop characters. In normal Trek each of the main characters would have a development arc and some of those characters would touch on social issues as their character developed. Bigger social issues, such as genocide or forced repatriation being two common themes, would be handled by the bigger episode plot.  They need more episodes and to just slow things down a bit. Or do away with the Trek connection completely and just blow shit up each week.

Yes, interracial kisses etc... But not every episode.

It's not every episode, I'm massively overstating it but it feels like it is at times.

mannaboy wrote:

RedDave2 wrote:

Really liked Pike... I was sorry to see Pike go, I'd actually have liked to follow this version of his enterprise.

You’re in luck, a spin-off series is on the way.

Awesomes. I even liked the re-design of the bridge for the enterprise. Hope its different to discovery though as a show and really takes its cues from TOS and TNG. 

It's going to be the Borg isnt it....

poprock wrote:

If I remember right, it’s going to be animated. Or am I confusing it with another planned spinoff?

Nah, that's Lower Decks and Prodigy, Strange New Worlds is live action.

Agree about lacknof stand out episodes in discovery. Off the top of my head, standout epsiodes...

DS9 : In the pale moonlight, whispers, duet.

VOYAGER: Year of hell, Message in a bottle, Latent Image, In a blink of an eye, Someone to watch over me.

TNG: Best of both worlds, yesterdays enterprise, darmok, chain of command, inner light.

ENTERPRISE: None

Dinostar77 wrote:

Agree about lacknof stand out episodes in discovery. Off the top of my head, standout epsiodes... DS9 : In the pale moonlight, whispers, duet. VOYAGER: Year of hell, Message in a bottle, Latent Image, In a blink of an eye, Someone to watch over me. TNG: Best of both worlds, yesterdays enterprise, darmok, chain of command, inner light. ENTERPRISE: None

The RLM boys have been doing some sterling work with TNG recently...

Dinostar77 wrote:

Agree about lacknof stand out episodes in discovery. Off the top of my head, standout epsiodes...

DS9 : In the pale moonlight, whispers, duet.

VOYAGER: Year of hell, Message in a bottle, Latent Image, In a blink of an eye, Someone to watch over me.

TNG: Best of both worlds, yesterdays enterprise, darmok, chain of command, inner light.

ENTERPRISE: None

Season 1 and 2 of Discovery all bled together into a kind of mush for me - but I guess this is a problem when there is just one story arc - even with DS9, it was a saga told in distinct memorable stories.
Discovery is probably the first Trek that you really need to see every episode in order - notably offering recaps. The only ones that stood out were when Saru returned home and where the cyborg bridge officer died - both of which reminded me of classic episodic writing. Episode 2 of season 3 was also closer to what I'd expect from Star Trek.

Is she still doing that lip/chin wobble thing at every opportunity? 

Looking forward to binging when I resubscribe.

b0r1s wrote:

Best episode and most Trek like of this series. Away team mission, small simple story, well told, with some back on the ship character development. More of this please. And Burnham was suitably reserved.

Theory about the story arc

Spoiler:

Control isn’t gone. Could they all be in some weird simulation? (Hope not) The music that connects them reminds me of the music in BSG.

"Including one (it went off on a tangent) that Burnham causes the Burn inadvertently."

With a name like Burnham, that's just really shit Disney-level writing.

Time_on_my_hands wrote:

"Including one (it went off on a tangent) that Burnham causes the Burn inadvertently."

With a name like Burnham, that's just really shit Disney-level writing.

Well, at least they wouldn't be building everything around one character... (bet there is a script where the rest of the crew are standing around and asking where Burnham is)

Yeah, they're definitely firing blanks...

Voyager was so shite though. I loved Next Gen, but the follow up series, bar half a dozen episodes of great (which let's face it usually involved the Borg), had serious diminishing returns.