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equinox_code

Marxism means too much

Mod74

When was the last time you did something altruistic?

LazyGunn

It is but it's down to self awareness that is hard to suggest on a social level, especially when it could take generations, centuries, to 'love out' all the crap the have going on to find a measure of that

Obviously true altruism is a harsh term, but an ability to love and not judge first, instead of after, would be a nice trick for humankind to assume

equinox_code

My anecdotes are pretty irrelevant .

equinox_code

Although when people say they don't believe in altruism I think it says something about their character.

LazyGunn

Mod74 wrote:

When was the last time you did something altruistic?

nothing's altruistic in its most solid sense, but love and strong support, despite reservations is a nice start

which is something i do very often

LazyGunn

equinox_code wrote:

Although when people say they don't believe in altruism I think it says something about their character.

i dont agree, the word altruism needs to be qualified, at its most extreme definition it cannot be met, but its general spirit can be, i believe in that

Mod74

So altruism is possible as long as someone else goes first. Gotcha.

LazyGunn

Who are you replying to mod, either to me or noxy that response was irrelevant

equinox_code

*sigh

Brooks

equinox_code wrote:

Although when people say they don't believe in altruism I think it says something about their character.

As long as they don't make with the Rand quotes, I think we're ooookay.

Kow

Communism has very little to do with altruism. It's just a way of organising the economy. It may be based on some sense of equality but I don't think it expects altruism from people. In fact it begins with violence.

beano

Indeed this all got Rand about a page ago and so I am out.

Brooks

Beano we have to keep the idiots away from the machines don't you see

Brooks

Foul old girl as she was, "non-entity" is a choice jibe.

Mod74

equinox_code wrote:

Although when people say they don't believe in altruism I think it says something about their character.

And when they pinch peoples stuff and keep quiet in the face of racism to protect their own hide instead of speaking up in defence of a co-worker that says something about their character as well.

Your anecdotes might be irrelevant but they are quite telling about the selfish and most definitely not altruistic nature of human beings.

beano

Just to be clear, Marxism doesn't depend on anything. That's why I am out.

Like communism, great in theory.

LazyGunn

Kow wrote:

Communism has very little to do with altruism. It's just a way of organising the economy. It may be based on some sense of equality but I don't think it expects altruism from people. In fact it begins with violence.

It doesnt imply altrusim no, but it does however rely on respect on one another and a lack of greed, and henceforth a concern for ones common man. Maybe altruism was the wrong word

Kow

It doesn't imply those things at all, it's just another system of governance.

Brooks

It's more like self-interestÂ broadenedÂ to recognise how the quality of lives of others impacts your own.

equinox_code

ffs, Mod, I'm not going to start chasing you around in debate. It's like trying to show the dog a vacuum cleaner.

Brooks

You just put it in their line of sight, piece of piss.

Kow

Brooks wrote:

It's more like self-interestÂ broadenedÂ to recognise how the quality of lives of others impacts your own.

Yeah, I like that.

LazyGunn

Well, yes it does, because making communism would imply a social phenomenon that clearly didnt happen in currently 'communist' countries, which is why those countries are kind of fucked. The phenomenon didnt happen, and it relies a lot on awareness of society and your value and place in it

Theres the whole idea of hegemony, that a successful communist government would work under a new paradigm.

Well they dont

beano

This shit don't work. Anyway Tories this tweet made me laugh.

Tory conf clearly a festival of capitalist realism. "Britain can't afford its welfare state". No: what it can't afford is its ruling class

LazyGunn

Kow wrote:

Brooks wrote:

It's more like self-interestÂ broadenedÂ to recognise how the quality of lives of others impacts your own.

Yeah, I like that.

Altrusim? in its harshest human sense, yes

beano

beano wrote:

This shit don't work. Anyway Tories this tweet made me laugh.

Tory conf clearly a festival of capitalist realism. "Britain can't afford its welfare state". No: what it can't afford is its ruling class

Quoting self for page turn shenanigans.

Brooks

Did like that guy's Capitalist Realism thesis. It has a leg or two.

Mod74

equinox_code wrote:

ffs, Mod, I'm not going to start chasing you around in debate. It's like trying to show the dog a vacuum cleaner.

Do what you like, however I'd appreciate it if you didn't cast aspersions on my character without any knowledge whatsoever.

beano

kpunk = Keynesian punk? Maybe.

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