The only thing that the radar ops can corroborate is that they saw signals on their radar screens. That’s it. It’s not corroboration, it’s one additional piece of evidence which fits more than one potential set of possibilities.

Sigh.

I'm on Team Hair. I believe. But I'm biased as I saw a UFO once and no-one's gonna convince me I didn't.

Thanks chaps. A big part of me doesn't want to believe because it's so bloody scary.

Scout wrote:

I'm on Team Hair. I believe. But I'm biased as I saw a UFO once and no-one's gonna convince me I didn't.

Do tell Scout.

Andy wrote:

I’m not saying it’s all conjured out of thin air...

That's a fair enough concession.
And now I also appreciate the other points you're making.

But then anchoring to this concept, and vehemently believing it to be a key reason for something not happening (or having happened), is just as 'spooky' as believing the vids and accompanying explanation to be indisputable evidence of aliens, or a new, top secret, form of Russian or Chinese aircraft...

Your complex formatting is scaring me Tbh.

Over numerous days makes this pretty suspect as corroboration, I’m afraid. They could have seen anything which they then decided later might have been the thing.

Sorry, this isn’t causing me to accept that these weren’t radar glitches.

If you want to come and do my job for an hour and a half one day, I’ll use the time to watch the videos.

You know that I’m not going to believe their accounts, right?

Andy wrote:

Andy, which part of Favor's account in do you think might be fabricated? He seem's almost downplaying the events.

I didn’t listen for very much longer, it was just my reaction to what you and superfly considered a very credible witness. While calmness, assuredness and certainty certainly tend to boost our confidence in someone’s reliability, I’d be very suspicious of someone claiming to recall so many specific details with such clarity, and maintaining chronological continuity, after 15 months, let alone fifteen years. He’s not recounting an event as he remembers it, he’s telling a well-rehearsed story, and I’d have grave doubts about how much is what he saw, and how much is blanks filled by hearing his colleagues accounts’ of the same event. I’ve had a crowd tell me a man had a gun. An automatic rifle, specifically. What he actually had was a baseball bat. I will always be sceptical of people describing something with which they are unfamiliar, especially when they’ve heard others’ accounts. Because of the way memory works, they won’t even know they are doing it.

Only catching up on the thread now. What you say makes total sense. My explanation for that at time of listening was him being in the military and the associated documentation. This is all assumption on my part, I have no idea if its factual. The detail of the mission, equipment involved etc would be all recorded in reports. He would have to write up an incident report Id imagine and he possibly has a copy himself. Also, there is the video and his co-pilots etc, radar operators etc he could talk to form his story. Being military Id assume he would be well versed in noting detail.
And I would agree that for certain unusual activity in your day to day, memory retention would pretty high. Can I remember all the times I drove out a certain busy merge lane in the morning? No. But can I remember the time I got rear-ended? In detail!
Also, the guy is going to do a podcast where he is being interviewed in-depth on this very topic so I do think he would have formed his story and refreshed the details prior to recording.
What Im more concerned with is this surfacing at all and his motives, why come out at all and give his story? Why is the video officially released by the military?
From watching the video, was anything evident from his mannerisms to indicate his sincerity in what he was describing?

superflyninja wrote:

What I'm more concerned with is this surfacing at all and his motives, why come out at all and give his story? Why is the video officially released by the military?

Have to get my ducks in a row on this, and will post more later but it's not conspiratorial. It also address DJ's point about gain.

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bad_hair_day wrote:

Scout wrote:

I'm on Team Hair. I believe. But I'm biased as I saw a UFO once and no-one's gonna convince me I didn't.

Do tell Scout.

It's not the most exciting story. It was about 20 years ago when I still lived with my parents. I was a secret smoker. Every night I'd sneak on to the roof of the house to smoke and star-gaze. It was my favourite thing to do. We lived a little out of the city so on clear nights we always had a fantastically dark sky. I was used to seeing shooting stars and satellites. 

One night there was a single point of light moving around in an unusual fashion. Stopping and starting, up and down, left and right. Totally silent. I sat there watching it for a while wondering if it might be a distant helicopter. But then it suddenly - and silently - shot right over my head at an impossible speed. I stood up and watched as it continued on its way before disappearing over the horizon in a couple of seconds. I was so thrilled I did a little dance on the roof.

Smoking or smoking?