I_R wrote:

Or he planned it all.

He is a shifty fucker. The wry smile when he told Jon he was where he needed to be.

Yeah, I didn't think it had a happy ending.

I’ve noticed that even with some of the professional critics. I tried reading Wired’s wrap up of the finale, and their commentary team are utter loons.

Drogon melting the throne was just wtf. 
I don't know if anyone else saw the third episode of this season where all the Dothraki died? Anyone see that? No one making this episode seemed to. Until the end where they just disappeared again. 
Why was Tyrion upset that people moved the chairs to sit on them? What was he expecting? They all stand around and admire how well aligned they are? 
Bronn had to have the concept of a bank loan explained to him in season three. Now he's in charge of all money. You can go on and on with all this. It was fucktastically dumb. 

I don't know precisely when this show fell off. It started slipping in around season 5 (Jaime and Bronn's Adventures In Dorne) and by the finale of season 6 it had lost its way entirely. But for every piece of mind-boggling stupidity it had something to enjoy. The zombie capture was probably it's dumbest episode but even that had a pretty terrific fight with a zombie bear. 

If it had kept the quality of seasons 1-4 through to the end it would have probably been the best tv program ever. But it's a bit harsh to criticise a show for not being literally the best thing made by anyone ever. It's no one's fault. The writer's thought they'd be adapting books for the duration. Martin came unstuck trying to write 3,000 odd pages of novels to the timeframe of a tv production schedule. Every other aspect of the show remained high-tier. 

The introduction of more and more EPIC battles didn't help the balance either. Season 1 had zero. They were building up to one then Tyrion got knocked unconscious and woke up when the battle was over. Robb Stark, renowned great and glorious war leader was never shown fighting (iirc). But then they had the Kings Landing invasion episode and then each series needed it's special moment. No doubt sucking the budget up and chipping away at the story telling in other parts. Season 7 had, I think, four episodes in a row, where the required scene in the North was all the lords sat around in that room in Winterfell, getting repeatedly owned by Lynna Mormont, with Little finger inexplicably hanging around and waiting to be offed. Everything was water treading until the BIG MOMENT when they'd blow the budget and do something stupid. For my money the highlights of the battle things were the smaller, more unexpected ones - Hardhome and the Dragon attack on the Lannisters. The full episode ones rarely matched the build up they gave them.

Anyway, it's done now. For better or worse, a massively important show in terms of it's impact. I'm glad it existed but I'm equally glad it's finished.

I think it's understood in fantasy in general, and here too I suppose, that dragons are intelligent, not just animals. So I didn't have any problem with it melting the throne.

LivDiv wrote:

Tyrion and the chairs. He created order then everyone came in and disrupted it. Do you need a few episodes for them to explain it or something?

Of all the hills to die on, don't let yours be Tyrion's reaction to people sitting on chairs.

monkey wrote:

LivDiv wrote:

Tyrion and the chairs. He created order then everyone came in and disrupted it. Do you need a few episodes for them to explain it or something?

Of all the hills to die on, don't let yours be Tyrion's reaction to people sitting on chairs.

You brought it up. I just dont need every single thing explained. It is just a bit of basic symbolism.

bad_hair_day wrote:

I took it as the Dragon expressing it's rage at 'All this pain and death for that fucking chair?'

Works just as well if you prefer to think of it as the dragon enacting Jon’s rage at the same.

poprock wrote:

bad_hair_day wrote:

I took it as the Dragon expressing it's rage at 'All this pain and death for that fucking chair?'

Works just as well if you prefer to think of it as the dragon enacting Jon’s rage at the same.

Thought Jon looked more apprehensive than angry...

it almost like musical chairs...

g.man wrote:

it almost like musical chairs...

Or thrones...

I thought it was an OCD gag.

monkey wrote:

Missed this, glorious.

Regarding the chairs, it's a callback to this, Tywin making it harder for everyone to talk to each other, a clear ranking etc. I didn't twig that at the time by the way, I stole it off Reddit :


Which also serves as a good reminder of how much better the show was early doors.

poprock wrote:

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

I'm at least glad I know how it ends. When GRRM fails to deliver the books, it wont sting so bad.

I read (again, on Wired) this morning that “George RR Martin has reportedly finally finished the last two books in the series”. Sounded pretty suspect to me.

That’s been denied by Martin. The rumour was that they’d ‘done a deal’ to hold them back until the end of the show so the ending wouldn’t be spoiled. Martin said it was (my words) bollocks and would have been too expensive to compensate them for the millions of dollars of lost revenue from releasing them at the height of public interest.