legaldinho wrote:
Paul the sparky wrote:
Can't get on with the "Luke needs to go out on an epic display of the force" stuff, pulling down a star destroyer, holding the door like fucking Hodor or knocking over the AT-AT walkers like a stack of dominoes would all have drew the same eye rolls from me. It's established that Kylo and Rey are stronger with the force than Luke anyway, so you'd then have to get even more ludicrous to one up that, it's turning into prequel level Star Wars then. Doing the force hologram was an epic use of the force in its own right, it just wasn't a flashy clapping fanboy pleaser, and it tied in with the "Saving the ones you love not fighting the ones you hate" theme. Saved his pals, killed no one, Jedi as fuck.
IIRC, Qui-Gon is the one who comes back to talk to Yoda about force-ghosting. Yoda mentions something to Obi-Wan after they agree to go into hiding about talking with an old friend and learning some new force shit.Aaroncupboard wrote:Explains why Qui-Gon never had that, as he was killed before he could complete the training of Obi-Wan.
I agree apart from the fading away at the end bit. The gf told me I tutted loudly when that happened but I didn't realise at the time. It would have worked if he'd just done the projection thing then lived. Or if his death was doing something really good. But just dying to buy the rebels a couple of minutes to escape from a cave that, as far as anyone knew, was inescapable, didn't seem like a satisfying sacrifice to me. But they wanted him dead at the end so that's that.Aaroncupboard wrote:Completely with this. Don’t personally get the disappointment with Luke’s storyline/ending. He had a great arc where he went from disillusionment with the force (which I actually think they explained quite well) through to a huge and powerful use of it in a completely non-violent way. I loved how his final actions rescued his friends, humiliated the enemy and-I feel most importantly-inspired people. I also like how he faded away into the force (I assume that is what actually happens) like Obi-Wan and Yoda did. They had done what they needed to do and completed their role as a master Jedi. Explains why Qui-Gon never had that, as he was killed before he could complete the training of Obi-Wan.Can't get on with the "Luke needs to go out on an epic display of the force" stuff, pulling down a star destroyer, holding the door like fucking Hodor or knocking over the AT-AT walkers like a stack of dominoes would all have drew the same eye rolls from me. It's established that Kylo and Rey are stronger with the force than Luke anyway, so you'd then have to get even more ludicrous to one up that, it's turning into prequel level Star Wars then. Doing the force hologram was an epic use of the force in its own right, it just wasn't a flashy clapping fanboy pleaser, and it tied in with the "Saving the ones you love not fighting the ones you hate" theme. Saved his pals, killed no one, Jedi as fuck.
monkey wrote:I agree apart from the fading away at the end bit. The gf told me I tutted loudly when that happened but I didn't realise at the time. It would have worked if he'd just done the projection thing then lived. Or if his death was doing something really good. But just dying to buy the rebels a couple of minutes to escape from a cave that, as far as anyone knew, was inescapable, didn't seem like a satisfying sacrifice to me. But they wanted him dead at the end so that's that.Aaroncupboard wrote:Completely with this. Don’t personally get the disappointment with Luke’s storyline/ending. He had a great arc where he went from disillusionment with the force (which I actually think they explained quite well) through to a huge and powerful use of it in a completely non-violent way. I loved how his final actions rescued his friends, humiliated the enemy and-I feel most importantly-inspired people. I also like how he faded away into the force (I assume that is what actually happens) like Obi-Wan and Yoda did. They had done what they needed to do and completed their role as a master Jedi. Explains why Qui-Gon never had that, as he was killed before he could complete the training of Obi-Wan.Can't get on with the "Luke needs to go out on an epic display of the force" stuff, pulling down a star destroyer, holding the door like fucking Hodor or knocking over the AT-AT walkers like a stack of dominoes would all have drew the same eye rolls from me. It's established that Kylo and Rey are stronger with the force than Luke anyway, so you'd then have to get even more ludicrous to one up that, it's turning into prequel level Star Wars then. Doing the force hologram was an epic use of the force in its own right, it just wasn't a flashy clapping fanboy pleaser, and it tied in with the "Saving the ones you love not fighting the ones you hate" theme. Saved his pals, killed no one, Jedi as fuck.
Nice vid, sums up the issues I had.pantyfire wrote:I've just watched the first minute or two and the video is obsessing over and going into the exact type of detail that the prequels did and everyone hated the exposition and trade deal talk - cant win. People can rag on it but it's no Prometheus.
That’s a pretty weak link though. He could have done anything badass and self-sacrificing in the ending and been a legend (and that’s still just word of mouth from the 20 or so surviving rebels that now have to tell everyone in the Galaxy about it).optimark_prime wrote:monkey wrote:I agree apart from the fading away at the end bit. The gf told me I tutted loudly when that happened but I didn't realise at the time. It would have worked if he'd just done the projection thing then lived. Or if his death was doing something really good. But just dying to buy the rebels a couple of minutes to escape from a cave that, as far as anyone knew, was inescapable, didn't seem like a satisfying sacrifice to me. But they wanted him dead at the end so that's that.Aaroncupboard wrote:Completely with this. Don’t personally get the disappointment with Luke’s storyline/ending. He had a great arc where he went from disillusionment with the force (which I actually think they explained quite well) through to a huge and powerful use of it in a completely non-violent way. I loved how his final actions rescued his friends, humiliated the enemy and-I feel most importantly-inspired people. I also like how he faded away into the force (I assume that is what actually happens) like Obi-Wan and Yoda did. They had done what they needed to do and completed their role as a master Jedi. Explains why Qui-Gon never had that, as he was killed before he could complete the training of Obi-Wan.Can't get on with the "Luke needs to go out on an epic display of the force" stuff, pulling down a star destroyer, holding the door like fucking Hodor or knocking over the AT-AT walkers like a stack of dominoes would all have drew the same eye rolls from me. It's established that Kylo and Rey are stronger with the force than Luke anyway, so you'd then have to get even more ludicrous to one up that, it's turning into prequel level Star Wars then. Doing the force hologram was an epic use of the force in its own right, it just wasn't a flashy clapping fanboy pleaser, and it tied in with the "Saving the ones you love not fighting the ones you hate" theme. Saved his pals, killed no one, Jedi as fuck.
He didn’t just help his friends escape though, he established himself as a legend who’s story was being played out by those children.
He’s probably inspired a new generation.
Paul the sparky wrote:legaldinho wrote:
I'll give the videos a watch once I get some peace and Wi-Fi. Is the RLM one just a piss take or a proper review?
monkey wrote:He had a submerged X-Wing on that island. Why was that there? Just to tease us into thinking something good would happen. I know this is Star Wars fanboy rubbish but I was dying for a scene where he just lifts that X-Wing from the water like it's nothing.
That’s about as far away from getting it as it’s possible to be.legaldinho wrote:This guy gets it
In what way?Andy wrote:That’s about as far away from getting it as it’s possible to be.legaldinho wrote:This guy gets it
RamSteelwood wrote:I'm pretty sure Luke Skywalker was already an inspiring legend before this film.
you know, the well known name in the gaolaxy, the orphan kid who turned up, blew up the death star and eventually took down the empire, setting up the new republic.
"then what did he do grandad, tell me? I wanna fight the evil new order just like Luke did"
"well, he turned his nephew into Kylo Ren, and went into hiding. once all the rebels were dead apart from the last 6, he did an astral projection trick to help them sneak out the back door, then died"
"oh..."
legaldinho wrote:1.Empire strikes back 2.A New Hope 3. RotJ 4. TFA 5. TLJ 6 RotS 7.Phantom Menace 8. Clones
Andy wrote:That’s about as far away from getting it as it’s possible to be.legaldinho wrote:This guy gets it
pantyfire wrote:The problem with Luke doing kerazy Jedi destroying 10 AT-ATs stuff is that the force then becomes a Deus ex machina.
After that happens once and from then on as a viewer you subconsciously sit there and think what's the point just get the force to kill everything at the end.
If you really think about it the most impressive thing we've seen the force do in movies up to this point is move an xwing.
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