Kow wrote:It's not instead, just as well. Fantasy, myth, sci fi are all great.
Andy wrote:They are, but allowing them to distort or disrupt our perception of the real world is problematic.It's not instead, just as well. Fantasy, myth, sci fi are all great.
Kow wrote:I guess the unknown is subjective but I take your point. Although I'd go with aliens before I'd go with God.
LarryDavid wrote:It’s a big if. I’m no expert on declassified US military documents but do they usually feature statements like: ‘which was weird’, ‘it was unusual’, ‘I didn’t see that coming’ etc?
LarryDavid wrote:Just feels like another con job, for what purpose I’ve no idea. But then I’m not very well read up on it to be honest.
Just the fact the story involves someone from Blink-182 makes me hope it’s exposed as complete bollocks. It’s like the bassist from Sum 41 stumbling upon the Holy Grail or the Offspring curing cancer. These clowns shouldn’t be involved in anything of historical or international importance. Frankly I’ll be disappointed if this is the exception to that rule.
They may have different definitions, but no, those aren’t physical evidence. Those are readings of observed things. Physical evidence would be a piece of debris, or a sample of fuel emissions found in the water, for example.bad_hair_day wrote:Isn't radar and video recording physical evidence as in CCTV and speed traps?
Okay.bad_hair_day wrote:The US government said it happened.
Andy wrote:It’s an important distinction, though. With physical evidence, there is no disputing the physicality of the thing, the subjectiveness comes from what aspects of it might point to.
Andy wrote:With readings of measurements etc, the actual accuracy absolutely can be disputed; with a lot of this equipment, false readings abound, whether through disruption prior to the signal reaching the device, or errors in recording or calculating that data.
Take the description of the readings suggesting objects descended from space to see level rapidly. Could that be something causing the device to fire through its full range of potential variables? Does anything corroborate the conclusion they’ve drawn?
Andy wrote:Out of interest, if we were to pretend, for a moment, that the US Government is a reliable source, have they confirmed that several people definitely had a close encounter with a UFO, or have they just confirmed that these documents are the reports of what happened that day from the people who were there?
It is alleged that physical objects were tracked. Even if it were ever proven that all of this is true, that does not make the footage ‘physical evidence’. Evidence, yes. Documentary evidence. Video evidence. But not physical evidence. I’m not criticising you, but ‘physical evidence’ means something specific, and it’s misleading to say that it exists when it doesn’t.bad_hair_day wrote:It's physical in the sense physical objects were tracked by multiple systems on ships, a radar plane, a hunter helicopter and four jets, now on a physical tapes hard drives and corroboration being servicemen who'd come forward likely risking ridicule.
I’m pretty sure it has already been discussed before that there is a difference between a traceable malfunction, and the system not operating as the operators expect when receiving certain signals.bad_hair_day wrote:Radar chief Kevin Day had Gary Vorhees and his tech crew shut down the radar systems and ran a full diagnostic to make sure it wasn't a malfunction of some kind, only to find the signals clearer afterwards and were of 'weapons quality'.
It’s pertinent to point out that inexplicable signals were recorded days before. The video above indicated that the Hawkeye didn’t pick anything up.bad_hair_day wrote:It's pertinent to point out packs of 5-10 unknowns had been tracked days before jets engaged the closest of the group on Nov 14. During the encounter, the objects were also tracked by the crews of the Hawkeye plane and the Sea Hawk helicopter.
That doesn’t really answer my question.bad_hair_day wrote:This video of the UFO at their CAP point is official and approved for pubic release and supports the report.
I will remind you they are Americans.LarryDavid wrote:“Sorry lads, War’s off...”
“Again? Fuck this, I’m inventing an alien contact or summat”
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