You can push it too far even for the non-casuals, if they're following the model of the comics. It worked at first, back in the day. Getting me into other titles because characters would pop up in Spider-Man, and they'd reference what was going on with them, and the stories would overlap and I wanted to keep up with what was happening. But it gets overwhelming. 

Even something that should have been core like Amazing Spider-Man or Uncanny X-Men can, between issues, start in a completely different place than it was left last time. And unless you've bought and read the previous month's New Mutants or Cloak And Dagger or some other random thing, you're locked out of part of the story. Or worse, you have to go and buy one of those to see the conclusion. And that's not even including the big event crossovers they had, which became an absolute mess. Eventually I just stopped caring.

The MCU isn't at that stage yet but they're spreading it out and the quality is really poor for some of it. The tvs shows especially.

Yossarian wrote:

I suppose that the one advantage that Disney does have is that all of the constituent parts of the stories (aside from Spider-Man) are on Disney+, so you only need one sub to be able to catch up on everything you’re going to need to know.

Ah but this ignores the one commodity I don't have a lot of... Time. TV shows are at least 6 episodes of 45 minutes. If they want me to watch it , it needs to be good. I think a block buster movie is way more disposable, where as serial TV requires Time invested (somewhat nullified if you binge but still)

If disney want this to work, I recommend they move to 4 part TV shows and really work on the quality. It's OK, but it's far from tip top TV that is abundant.

I've got an empty the night as F and C at mother in laws. Debating doing the Pattman but that's the night done if I do....

It’s really good

Diluted Dante wrote:

What do you mean different rules?

I maybe used the wrong wording, but it seems weird that they are all ‘multiverse’ but get there in completely different ways. For Loki it made a lot of sense and the last episode got me super excited.

But then for spider-man it was based around a random spell going wrong… not much to do with how it was presented before. And if the spidermen are all different ‘variants’ after all, then how were they allowed by the TVA so long? And end of spider-man no way home

God I’m a nerd, it doesn’t really matter in the end. I do enjoy these films, I just feel they maybe bit off more than they could chew this time around, and the tv stuff is muddying things up somewhat?

I'm gonna do the Patzman

cosmicjellybean wrote:

What do you mean different rules?

I maybe used the wrong wording, but it seems weird that they are all ‘multiverse’ but get there in completely different ways. For Loki it made a lot of sense and the last episode got me super excited. But then for spider-man it was based around a random spell going wrong… not much to do with how it was presented before. And if the spidermen are all different ‘variants’ after all, then how were they allowed by the TVA so long? And end of spider-man no way home

Spoiler:

How exactly does the spell stop random footage and books etc from existing? If everyone forgets Peter Parker, do all the stuff relating just vanish? That feels like it needs an infinity stone or something… Also if strange could see all the versions of endgame and see them all fail except one, isn't that 14,000,000 multiverses getting blipped or however many it was? Surely then Thanos is around in all those so when jumping about that’s something to consider…

God I’m a nerd, it doesn’t really matter in the end. I do enjoy these films, I just feel they maybe bit off more than they could chew this time around, and the tv stuff is muddying things up somewhat?

The last Spider-Man has almost more plot holes than plot so it's probably futile making sense of it. But on the unspoiled bit, I think because of Loki, the timelines are all out there now when they weren't previously. And they're all going to start bleeding into each other and taking each other over. Hence the creation of the TVA in the first place. Like maybe Strange's spell wouldn't have had that effect pre-Loki. Maybe. The next Antman is probably a quantum multiverse situation so that's going to mess it up even more.
On the rest

cosmicjellybean wrote:

God I’m a nerd

Not me. I'm real cool.

monkey wrote:

Spoiler:

Unless I missed some line of dialogue, Endgame is a paradox I think. Past Thanos comes to the future and dies so can't become Future Thanos that snaps half the people out of existence. 

cosmicjellybean wrote:

God I’m a nerd

Not me. I'm real cool.

Fuck knows cock nose

Paul the sparky wrote:

Spoiler:

Unless I missed some line of dialogue, Endgame is a paradox I think. Past Thanos comes to the future and dies so can't become Future Thanos that snaps half the people out of existence. 

God I’m a nerd

Not me. I'm real cool.

Spoiler:

Oh shit. Unless I'm very much mistaken, they specifically pointed out that time travel doesn't work like that? So present day Thanny is still on the lookout for stones? Or did the Ironman snap deal with that too?

Fuck knows cock nose

Ok so yeah it's this. I remember Hulk explaining how it didn't work but wasn't clear on how it did.

EvilRedEye wrote:

Re: monkey's spoiler

Spoiler:

In Endgame they call it time travel but it's more like travelling to parallel universes where in that universe not as much time has passed.

Don't think we need to spoiler this still but never mind.

Well, that looks like good, dumb fun.

I’ll give it a try. Big fan of Maslany anyway, after Orphan Black.

Sold.

That looks rubbish. And brilliant at the same time.

Sony do make rotten movies. I think venom only gets a pass because of Tom Hardy and spider man was saved by effectively being a marvel movie.

True. Not nearly enough viao product placement.