Final Fantasy XVI - an all-action RPG - June 22nd - PS5 - The Bear and Badger

EvilRedEye

Ooooh, that’s interesting.

b0r1s

8 days to go. Choo choo!!

Paul the sparky

Minnesänger wrote:

Paul the sparky wrote:

Apologies to anyone not into this spoiler bullshit

So there may well be an answer to some stuff:

Spoiler:

Active time lore on the mum (that is in the demo right now)

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states that she and the dad are cousins. Her bloodline has apparently parented phoenixes in the past. So, yeah, you were right about her bringing up "our bloodline", and it seems she's not a political marriage from the Empire. Unless she is Empire and it's all about that royal interbreeding.
What that means for the dad and possible parentage of Joshua...I dunno. Still reckon the kid is his, but it does lend credence to your theory.

That Active Time Lore is a class idea. Extra depth and context at the touch of a button if you want it, or you can let events play out without it. Come back after a break, forget what's going on and who this character is? ATL is there to fill you in.

Regarding the spoiler:

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Vela

Minnesänger wrote:

Paul the sparky wrote:

I literally can't get my head around playing a game in a language you can't understand and it isn't even lip synced to that language. Blows my mind. To be fair, the lip sync thing won't even be an issue because you'll be reading the subtitles. But still

I usually go towards JP voice acting in a lot of titles, but this one was written in English first (a first for the series) and is clearly, well, European inspired. Gotta stick with English.

Yeah I think this is fair. Tsushima and Yakuza I will always play with Japanese voice and English subtitles. Makes sense to me plus they are all so well voiced to my ears anyway. It also helps me learn a few basic words and some new swears.

Minnesänger

Paul the sparky wrote:

Minnesänger wrote:

Paul the sparky wrote:

Apologies to anyone not into this spoiler bullshit

So there may well be an answer to some stuff:

Spoiler:

Active time lore on the mum (that is in the demo right now)

Spoiler:

states that she and the dad are cousins. Her bloodline has apparently parented phoenixes in the past. So, yeah, you were right about her bringing up "our bloodline", and it seems she's not a political marriage from the Empire. Unless she is Empire and it's all about that royal interbreeding.
What that means for the dad and possible parentage of Joshua...I dunno. Still reckon the kid is his, but it does lend credence to your theory.

That Active Time Lore is a class idea. Extra depth and context at the touch of a button if you want it, or you can let events play out without it. Come back after a break, forget what's going on and who this character is? ATL is there to fill you in. Regarding the spoiler:

Spoiler:

Well that's weird. I was certain it was an arranged/political marriage type deal and that she was a plant to supplant/assimilate that house into the empire

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Minnesänger

Vela wrote:

Minnesänger wrote:

Paul the sparky wrote:

I literally can't get my head around playing a game in a language you can't understand and it isn't even lip synced to that language. Blows my mind. To be fair, the lip sync thing won't even be an issue because you'll be reading the subtitles. But still

I usually go towards JP voice acting in a lot of titles, but this one was written in English first (a first for the series) and is clearly, well, European inspired. Gotta stick with English.

Yeah I think this is fair. Tsushima and Yakuza I will always play with Japanese voice and English subtitles. Makes sense to me plus they are all so well voiced to my ears anyway. It also helps me learn a few basic words and some new swears.

Don't want no English NANI!

JonB

EvilRedEye wrote:

I thought the main demo was a bit ‘grind to stagger’ but the second bit didn’t really feel like that because the additional options made it a bit more interesting. I think it might be the traditional ‘first few hours take a bit to get going’ JRPG issue rather the system being fundamentally duff.

I've played a bit of the other half of the demo and I'm not seeing much improvement. Minor battles feel like button mashing chores already.

EvilRedEye

The minor battles were a bit of a red flag for me on the later bit as well, I enjoyed the boss though.

JonB

Just did the boss. The main issue there is how easy it is for this sort of thing. Spamming dodge works too well and the Titan block move is a very consistent parry ability.

I wasn't sure about this single character combat before, and the demo hasn't convinced me it's a good direction for the series at all.

Kernowgaz

So after playing the demo and I loved it.

Clive

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Minnesänger

JonB wrote:

Just did the boss. The main issue there is how easy it is for this sort of thing. Spamming dodge works too well and the Titan block move is a very consistent parry ability. I wasn't sure about this single character combat before, and the demo hasn't convinced me it's a good direction for the series at all.

I'm ok with the game trying something new, and i adored the whole package - but i do think it'll be a little marmite, one of the reasons I recommended Vela try the game rather than insta-buy. I love turn-based, I love character action, I'd love Final Fantasy to go turn-based again in future or try different combat systems - but for this one, i'm happy to let it do its thing.

And I really, really, really like the story presentation.

JonB

I love character action. But this feels like B-grade character action to me. And stretched out over an epic RPG? Hmm.

acemuzzy

I don't know who to trust, and don't have the energy to form my own opinion. Utter shambles.

Paul the sparky

The style, story and combat has put me off even trying the ones between XII and this. Something early on caught my eye with this (probably the western knights setting) and it's just looked better the more I saw of it. The demo more than eased any lingering worries that I'd fucked up by pre ordering it, I loved it more than I expected to

Paul the sparky

acemuzzy wrote:

I don't know who to trust, and don't have the energy to form my own opinion. Utter shambles.

JonB is a shill, bought and paid for. The rest of us don't have any skin in the game

JonB

Shouldn't I be the one saying it's great then?

Minnesänger

JonB wrote:

I love character action. But this feels like B-grade character action to me. And stretched out over an epic RPG? Hmm.

Worked for Nier: Automata.

Paul the sparky

JonB wrote:

Shouldn't I be the one saying it's great then?

Depends on who's paying

b0r1s

Bethesda

Minnesänger

Typical media.

JonB

Minnesänger wrote:

JonB wrote:

I love character action. But this feels like B-grade character action to me. And stretched out over an epic RPG? Hmm.

Worked for Nier: Automata.

I'm not sure it did. As much as I like N:A for other reasons, the combat was a bit of a drag.

Minnesänger

JonB wrote:

Minnesänger wrote:

JonB wrote:

I love character action. But this feels like B-grade character action to me. And stretched out over an epic RPG? Hmm.

Worked for Nier: Automata.

I'm not sure it did. As much as I like N:A for other reasons, the combat was a bit of a drag.

Booo, you whore.

EvilRedEye

Does JonB have a problem with combat in Asian-developed games… or just a problem with Asians?? #cancelled

JonB

Minnesänger wrote:

Booo, you whore.

MattyJ

Very much enjoyed the demo, I'll probs pick it up when I get paid end of the month.

Actually thought it was a bit emosh when

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Also, plot wise:

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Going back to 7 Intermission after this was a bit of whiplash, quite the difference in terms of style and presentation.

acemuzzy

This is being advertised on London buses and will hence sell in double-decker volumes calling it now

b0r1s

MattyJ wrote:

Very much enjoyed the demo, I'll probs pick it up when I get paid end of the month. Actually thought it was a bit emosh when

Spoiler:

You're fucking up Joshua as Ifrit and Clive is screaming to stop. All a bit fucked up.
Also, plot wise:

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Knew they'd get betrayed somehow, didn't know it was going to be the wife. But thought something had to go wrong.
Going back to 7 Intermission after this was a bit of whiplash, quite the difference in terms of style and presentation.

Yep that first spoiler was quite brutal.

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hylian_elf

MattyJ wrote:

Also, plot wise:

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Knew they'd get betrayed somehow, didn't know it was going to be the wife. But thought something had to go wrong.

I guessed it would be that from the moment

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b0r1s

I feel a bit sorry for the scheming magician lady.

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Sorry.

Minnesänger

I wanna play this noooooooooow.

So bored that I’ve decided to watch Moonfall.

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