Diluted Dante wrote:

WorKid wrote:

It's a distraction from the real stories. Why do we give a shit about this little thing?

Because there is a non zero chance of no deal, and in that event we've handed £14 million to someone with no realistic possibility of providing the service we've contracted them to do.

Plus, if it’s in any way indicative of how crucial infrastructure and services will be negotiated and supplied for the country post-brexit, we need to start stockpiling canned goods now because we are supremely fucked.

No not really. I's like being worried if the house is on fire if the fire brigade have water or petrol with them.

How does hair feel about all this. Does he ever show his simpleton, ugly mug ITT.

Fucking hell

Aye, this forum here can offer some compelling
and very persuasive arguments.

No can do as I'm not quite sure when he turned and what got him to turn him exactly.

Sorry.

The latter should be the tagline for the remain ref option

Trade deals? This is a huge stumbling block, just Britain brought most of those trade deals to the EU. When it comes to divorce settlements maybe we should be in receipt of the stipend rather than expected to pay one. Or perhaps we walk away with the deal that we brought to the table and leave the EU to renegotiate it's own

Just a thought experiment, but it's a intriguing one, shame no one ever thought to attach the problem from a position that appreciates our strengths, but then of they had wed have chosen to stay in Europe and would be leading from the front helping Italy, Spain, and Greece secure their southern borders

Do you really think that we haven't tried to leverage everything we could in these negotiations? I don't think it has been handled well at all but I still think we've probably got the best deal we could have hoped for. That just highlights what a stupid idea the whole brexit thing is in the first place.

GooberTheHat wrote:

Do you really think that we haven't tried to leverage everything we could in these negotiations? I don't think it has been handled well at all but I still think we've probably got the best deal we could have hoped for. That just highlights what a stupid idea the whole brexit thing is in the first place.

Im not sure brexit isn't stupid on its own. If you are part of a group and you don't like how its going, there shouldn't be a major issue as to wanting to leave as such. (Im not discounting the lies or anything, just going from a basic 'we want out' position)

For me the major issue is that the british govermeant massively underestinated what it needed to sort before firing the starting pistol.

If you look at the history of trade deals you'll find, rightly or wrongly (mostly wrongly, empire), that the UK had more than anyone else at the turn of the century. Those documents, those negotiations, sometimes signed at gunpoint, formed the basis of the EU trade deals that followed. We shared our market access without thought of holding back for ourselves, granting our European cousins the same access to markets that we'd wrought ourselves through global dominance a century earlier. That is sharing

From a position of strength is me laughing at brexiters who still fail to realise that the strongest position the UK held was within the union. That the veto was the greatest tool we had and if we'd have taken euro elections seriously (this includes the parties and who they nominated, not just the public and who they voted for) then we'd be leading Europe rather than being disillusioned with it

But then if you let an Australian tell you want to think, what vested interest does he have??

Here’s a terrifying stat for you all:

10. Senior Tories are very worried about the @ProfTimBale Tory membership polling

Tory members are in a different place the country as whole on “no deal” -

63% of TORY MEMBERS say they would be delighted/pleased/relieved by no deal

18% of ALL VOTERS say the same

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1081096808540135425

For the first time in two years, I don’t want Theresa May to resign.

So this Monday, Ch4 is screening Brexit: The Uncivil War, a dramatised account of the Brexit vote campaign, in which Benedict Cumberbatch plays Dominic Cummings a.k.a the man who masterminded the Leave campaign. I dare say this will garner a fair bit of interest and debate, so with that in mind, here is the man himself giving a lecture on how he did it...



Forgive me if this video is ancient news, but if you haven't already seen this, then I highly recommend you take the time to watch it.
It's both illuminating and depressing, and dispels a lot of the crazier conspiracy theories that have surrounded the events. 
TLDW? Turns out we were fucked over by another nerd using science, instead of the traditional and outdated means that Remain employed.

a fascinating watch

g.man

I remember disagreeing on this stuff but yeah, it was right. Don't really like the idea of it being made into a film though, considering it's still (I believe?) subject to an ongoing criminal investigation that should torpedo any of this "democracy" bollocks people say the referendum represents the pinnacle of.

He thinks immigration will slow down once Brexit is completed lol.
I predict it will swell even more especially once climate change kicks in.
A Brexit recession won't scare them off either...