Fundamentally, they can sack you for pretty much any reason in your first 2 years with a company nowadays.  Even if you're beyond that and have access to an employment tribunal, every contract I've ever signed has had something like a "bringing the company's name into disrepute = gross misconduct" clause.  As soon as he was outed as a massive racist, the company look bad.

It was hilarious seeing it on twitter, with all the racists going "WELL THEY'LL SEE HIM IN THE TRIBUNAL THEY CAN'T SACK HIM" etc, when it's their own beloved Tories who've shot employment rights up the wall too.

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Roujin wrote:

Interesting...the guy is a cunt, but I wonder what grounds him and his mrs employers used to fire them?...

Gross misconduct.

Actions that bring your organisation into a state of disrepute, either directly, or indirectly, are reasonable grounds for the dismissal, right?

But it will be at the employer's discretion.

Some organisations would have just overlooked it, but it was just too high profile to sweep under the rug. 

Quite unlike the time I remember finding racist death threats in the toilet of a Marks and Spencers warehouse. I raised it, and got sacked days afterwards.
Because that's another way to deal with a case with the potential to cause disrepute.

I suppose I can laugh about that now.

That was at the height of Blair's second term, iirc.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jun/25/i-foundracism-runs-through-the-afl-it-has-failed-to-uphold-the-rights-and-safety-of-black-players

We'll, at least organisations have learned since then.... Wait, shit.

Ecclestone on Hitler

"In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done.

In the end he got lost, so he wasn't a very good dictator because either he had all these things and knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it...so either way he wasn't a dictator."

You'd have thought Ecclestone would identify with Napoleon more

Iv been talking to my trump supporting, men's rights activist, brexit and Johnson supporting "friend". We used to live together a long time ago. He was a sound bloke, just right wing. He's completely radicalised himself.

My mental health has just shot to shit. It's so tiring. Here is a small sample.

I'm the only one in the cohort who still engages him. I thought I could help him, and when I engage I do - he will climb down from absolute simplistic racist POVs like the above. But then a month or two wil pass and I'll get something like this. My anxiety goes up, I get depressed. He's very tetchy, I think he wants to drive me away - as in, I can't handle the truth like all the SJWs etc.

I handled this one by asking him if he thought my ex, who was black and he got on very well with, was a low iq subhuman dog shit. He just kept ranting on and didn't answer.

I have no question for you lot. I guess I will just ignore him. Last time I told him I was too tired to talk. I actually had a headache. Last time it was about globalist Jews. The time before it was about the Muslamics. Merkel and open borders. Traitors. It never ends. I think he is actually ill. As in sick.in the head. I think he's lost his job now.

I have a very good friend who seems to be sailing down that stream and it's quite upsetting as we were, and to some extent still are, very close. He's a very smart guy and will never go full on racist but he spouts a lot of Sam Harris claptrap and stuff about how Islam is just bad and the old Clash of Civilizations nonsense. Everything can be argued by simply shouting 'political correctness'. I don't know what to do either and every time I talk to him I end up feeling stressed and bad so I try not to meet him so much, which in turn makes me feel even worse. **no help**

Well he's certainly an Islamophobe.

Mr friend has honed his "debating skills" on YouTube comments sections and other places, "educating" people, so after a few drinks there's no point in actual discussion as everything becomes "so you're saying we should just let them murder us..." etc etc ad naseum.

No, to be fair, he's a smart guy and can define what he means by us and them in terms of history and culture. He's not a thicko hooligan type, which makes it all the sadder, really.

And that choice of phrasing is exactly what I mean by more insidious, it doesn't betray any racist tendencies, yet if one those "thicko hooligan types" were to read it, you know that there take it as an affirmation

At least it's not actual Nazi stuff being said there. The use of the term "subhuman" is a new low. The guy is beyond redemption isn't he. Waste of fucking time.

I think there are two ways to try and tackle racist awfulness like this, and probably both are needed to be effective. Everything starts with education, and kids should be getting taught at a fairly early age about things like echo chambers, myopia within your societal context, and how easy to is to convince others of irrational beliefs by manipulating data and using subtle wording. Anthropology in general should be a required subject, learning about how your own species operates seems quite obviously very important.

Such education is of critical importance right now. Perhaps those things are getting taught in schools currently, I don't know, they definitely weren't for me when I was there. I can imagine some ways of teaching those things to young kids that could be quite effective too, modern technology can allow communication between classrooms on opposite sides of the world, and I think there's a great opportunity there to broaden their understanding of people and culture by allowing them to talk to kids in very different societies.

The other thing that I think needs to happen is for better information propagation platforms to be developed, i.e. new forms of social media that aren't based around an algorithm that placates the user by primarily showing things that fit within their current worldview and promote the loudest rhetoric. I've got some ideas for how this could be accomplished but more research is needed. I definitely think there is some serious untapped potential in the currently available technology for a tool that's far better than the mess of corrupt platforms we have now.

As far as trying to get through to people that have already raised the walls of hate and ignorance around them I really don't know what to do, losing friends that way must be really tragic. The best thing to do that I can think of is to try and give them some new ideas, new mental tools that they might not have considered previously, plant the seeds of doubt and inquiry and hope that they might grow into a deeper understanding.

It's all very well saying education is the key, but who's going to do the educating when leaders, educators and role models all believe this shit too? Who is left to do the educating? Who is going to allocate the resources to do it? Who will want to do it?

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It's all very well saying education is the key, but who's going to do the educating when leaders, educators and role models all believe this shit too? Who is left to do the educating? Who is going to allocate the resources to do it? Who will want to do it?

The right doesn't want to educate the masses.
Waste of money as far as they're concerned. Exceptional people will rise to the top anyway; it is one of their core tenets. Besides, the dumber the populace the cheaper the workforce. Easier to manipulate them with propaganda and fake news too. Eventually, they will vote conservative and the class pyramid is reinforced and maintained

The left is too divided and clueless. Education is definitely a thing as is the media blue collars consume. The working class is ingrained with sensationalist Murdoch tabloids, facebook sanctioned news/ads/propaganda and youtube algorithms serving ever more extreme content. All this controlled by right wing media and Big Tech. If the left wants change this situation needs to be addressed eventually.

You could play by the rules but what if that doesn't work because the system is rigged against you? This is essentially what BLM is about regardless of race. What if you cannot trust the system due to hidden inherent internal bias?

I am aware these are difficult questions and there are no easy answers.